97 dodge diesel
From : dennis
Q: lol you really dont have a clue. if the alternator is charging or overcharging which btw is the entire point of this post the voltage at the battery terminals will never be higher. measuring from the battey positive to ground or the negative terminal makes no difference in this case. 14.2v is acceptable from either location. sure it makes a difference in one case there is no resistance possible in the other you open the possibility to all sorts of resistance. certainly the voltage you list is acceptable to the system thats not the issue. the question is whether or not the battery was designed with this in mind likely it was whether or not the battery is being accurately monitored by the vr and whether the battery is big enough to sustain the draw of the starter under normal conditions and the charging of the system under normal conditions. no doubt that the battery voltage will never be higher under a charging condition however were still open on the issue of whether or not the vr is seeing the same voltage as what can be found across the terminals. that is correct but since we are charging the alternator is the source of the voltage not the battery and since the alternator grounds thru its case the output terminals are the alt output connection + and the engine block - not the battery. terrific and since the alternator is putting out specified voltage it must be grounded just fine. btw we are concerned about the voltage being applied to the battery not the voltage of the battery itself. pay attention for a change maxi. ahh yes pay attention yourself. how does the charging system determine output voltage thats right it monitors battery voltage. so while we are concerned with the voltage being applied charging voltage we also need to figure out how that voltage was determined. as such since the vr seems to behave properly on a bench test we must then look at the switching voltage it sees and determine if that accurately reflects the actual voltage of the battery. funny if you read it the op did exactly this test!! thus.... gary asks the question are you measuring battery voltage between the terminals or from positive to ground a perfectly valid question since we want to know how accurate the info regarding the battery voltage is. it matters not what the output voltage of the alternator is so long as its in spec and is switched properly. if the alternator is putting out 14.2v but the vr isnt getting a proper reading of battery voltage and sees it as too low then we have a great place to find overcharging. no he isnt and that makes absolutely no sense at all. if the vr was being fooled into overcharging the voltage would be much higher than the measured 14.2 at the alternator output which is always the same or higher than the voltage at the battery terminals under charge conditions. if the 14.2 was measured at the battery terminals themselves it is still within accepted voltage range regardless of the possible voltage at the alternator output. unless of course that little intermittant word you do remember bringing it up creeps in and blows your whole theory. but lets assume its a constant..... if the vr never sees 14.2 but does see a constant lower voltage say... 14.0v itll keep charging that battery at a rate designed to bring it up just a bit but never sees it come up. you can sputter away all you like the big variables here are the condition of the wiring how much voltage the vr sees and how accurate the readings taken have been. 1 having checked the vr sensing wire id check connections and other details of how it sees battery voltage. 2 id also check to be sure battery size is matched to maximum draw just to cover your theory on too high a draw by the starter. 3 anything else that was drawing enough current to heat up the battery has to be more than a glove box lamp etc. generally that size draw will drain the battery long before boiling it. 4 the op has determined that the vr swiotches properly but id test installed voltage on the vr to see if its performing the same while in the vehicle. 5 given that battery and charging alt voltage should be the same id check both the battery terminal to terminal and alternator output terminal to case not block etc. if they are th same and not over spec id look at the vr for problems in switching. im betting this is a deal where something in the wiring is giving a false reading. which was where gary was going and ill bet you are too. i did have something constructive to say to the op which is more than i can say about you and as i have said before to you in regard to this last sentence from you pkb. now are you going to jump thru some more hoops and falsely accuse me of name calling again lol you took the time to bash gary prior to just posting what you know. thats the problem. ive mentioned this before. btw nice job on resisting more posts on that other
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From : dennis
hi 1992 5.2l d150. was just wondering if anyone had any info about the od off/on switch on the automatic tranny. i recently lost o/d on my still fantastic running truck and was wondering about that switch on the dash. have you checked fuse #2 in the fuse panel below the steering column .
From : dennis
units are aready running at full capacity just to keep up with current demand. one goes offline the demand cannot be met. hence prices go up. interesting then that the prices have been going up since january. do they shut down a refinery or two each month they must if your theory is completely true. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. somehow i just dont believe that a few days of interrupted service will suddenly cause gas supplies to dwindle so low as to cause a panic. in my opinion its nothing more than price gouging. units are aready running at full capacity just to keep up with current demand. one goes offline the demand cannot be met. hence prices go up. lack of current supply and ever increasing demand - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving diesel jumped 20 cents to 2.79 from sunday night to monday morning. unfuckingbelievable! roy .
From : tom lawrence
2001 1500 5.2l not mine but curious if youre burning premium fuel all the time anyway would it be beneficial to install a chip or other modification designed for premium fuel i dont know that much about perf chips but from my understanding they are designed to get the most out of premium fuel... but will it on an 01. any advice appreciated.. it seems that opinions on these things vary widely. matt .
From : dennis
lol unless those reports were written today they really dont mean shit. if the supply is fine as you say why would the president be considering opening some of the national oil reserve some of those reports were written today. find me anything that says there is a shortage of oil. all ive read says theres no shortage just a huge investor pool that likes to speculate. as to the president we all know why hes considering it. political favor insurance in keeping a good economy etc. but i doubt itll have any real effect on pump prices since there is plenty of oil to be had. if the price was purely based on people in the futures market speculating to drive the price up the possibility of the president opening up the reserves would cause the price to plummet and that didnt happen. perhaps you missed that hurricane yesterday and the damage it caused to some major supply lines. you missed it the price did drop over $2 a barrel on that and despite the hurricane not suddenly disappearing. damage to major supply lines maybe but all the refinery spokespeople are claiming minor damage. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. lack of current supply and ever increasing demand - that might be true if... it was true. here we go again. supply is fine and demand is steady according to all reports ive read. lol unless those reports were written today they really dont mean shit. if the supply is fine as you say why would the president be considering opening some of the national oil reserve this years surge is being driven by the futures market not the consumer market. if the price was purely based on people in the futures market speculating to drive the price up the possibility of the president opening up the reserves would cause the price to plummet and that didnt happen. perhaps you missed that hurricane yesterday and the damage it caused to some major supply lines. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : nosey
that was strange. two replies each by the both of us in this thread pretty much saying the same thing within a minute of each other. .
From : tom lawrence
ah yes the ole brake problem. well first off this group is a bad place to come with questions about dodge trucks because no one in this group knows his rectum from a hole. as a suggestion purchase the new candy-stripped rotors and brake pads made by vewy habib parts co. ltd. that way you will get either red brake dust or white brake dust and that will tell you if you need new rotors. sincerely don dodge dodge truck expert 2003 qc ram 1500 2wd hemi 5.7l truck just went out of warranty. the usual brake shudder pulsating started up again dealer did the tsb 10k miles ago. so as suggested here in this group had a napa facility install their pads and heavy duty rotors. whew black dust is heavy but i am also getting a noise while driving that sounds like a bowl of bbs being spilled out on glass. if i tap the brakes it stops. it happens only occasionally but is this something to be concerned with also am getting a slight squeel just before coming to a full stop but that is curable by spraying the dust off the rotors at least it works for a couple days. the napa service advisor claims these noises are just something in the world of brakes that you have to live with like the constant black dust thanks. .
From : dennis
tom thankds for the info and reality check. i really appreciate you taking the time to fill me in. mike one guy posted here recently that the transmissons in caravans arent all that great and if you tow with one dont use overdrive which mine has. the problem with overdrive is that on hills the engine will be downshifting into 3rd then back to 4th. its doing this because youre using too much throttle in its estimation to maintain your speed in 4th. this hunting back and forth is whats bad for the transmission. i-95 is pretty flat so i wouldnt worry about pulling with overdrive on especially with only 1000lbs. ever have the van full of people and cargo and run in overdrive same deal.... if you notice the transmission downshifting into 3rd then back to od then lock out od until youre back on flat ground. heaverier load from pulling the trailer the engine oil would get hotter than normal. no - but the constant shifting combined with the torque converter unlocking will raise the temperature of the transmission. thats why you want to lock out od if that starts happening. am i just being paranoid youre being prudent but theres a bit of paranoia starting to creep in. just hook it up drive it and be mindful of the transmission. youll be fine. .
From : john smith
my trucks ac compressor started smoking and making noise. the belt broke off also. the compressors wheel has frozen. the truck is a 1996 ram 2500 4x4 with the 360 5.9l v8 i would like to bypass the ac unit and use the belt for the non-ac version of my truck. i would like to point out that the ac didnt work in this truck so i dont mind losing the compressor i can always fix it later. i know i will probably have to remove the acs flywheel. anything else is all this possible the truck is at a job site so i will try the repair with limited tools any tools that are a must have please post reply here and thanks a lot for your advice. .
From : tom lawrence
tom i am not going to drag this out any further. you guys have been really helpful. but....this latest information didnt come from the dealer. it came from chrysler canada as a response to another enquiry i sent them. theve got to be on something. dennis this time they have replied that my truck has 175 bhp and 230 lb-ft of good grief... thats the specs. for the 6-cylinder gas engine the 3.9l v6. guess they dont do much with diesels at that dealership huh rest assured if you have an auto trans your engine came stock with 180hp and 420lb.ft. of torque .
From : snoman
bdk wrote jaysmith@insightbb.com says... to tall to fit a dodge salesman once told me they were considering it but hey it was a salesman. thats not what ive heard its just a matter of time... bdk do not bet the farm on it. detriot is going to be scrambling to boost mpg to help suv sales not lower it with todays and tomorrows fuel prices and looming co2 emission restriction on the horizon. this all equals smaller no bigger engines and reduced vehical weight when possible. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-gonna-put-hemi-dakota-ftopict135679.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=658950 .
From : dennis
the outside is ok but sure do hate those white gauges!!!! i agree the style is getting all out of hand. give me back the old ram. that classic look never got old for me. scott why mess with something that works. the new headlight look like an after thought. they moved the cup holder to the floor now if someone set in the middle they have no place to put there feet. i do like the numbers on the gauges instead of the letters c & h and l & h. this was a wt model maybe the slt with the chrome grill will look better .
From : tom lawrence
i have a dodge ram 2001 with a 5.2l and i was wanting to remove my heat shields in my sparkplug wells is there someone that can tell me the easiest way to remove them thanks barstow ed .
From : dennis
i have a 2001 2500 diesel and a while back i lost my high beam indicator and my trip odometer would rest after every time i would shut down and restart..so i had to go to the dealer and was charged 35.00 to replace a fuse. i could not believe two such small items would be on a single fuse it just never occurred to me to check this..how dumb on my part..so beware.. reddog .
From : granny grump
do you know why it illuminated in the first place -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving can somebody tell me how to reset the check engine light brian .
From : granny grump
sounds like your rear differential is about to go out. pull the driveshaft off of the rear yoke and see how much play you have in the yoke/pinion both rotational as well as front-to-back... im betting quite a lot. the howl youre hearing is the pinion and ring gears not in alignment. im guessing worn pinion bearings which is allowing the pinion to deflect while under load causing the mis-alignment. .
From : nosey
tom lawrence wrote the brand name escapes me now but there is a brand of slider hitch that moves back automatically so you dont have to fuss with it. if the op is interested i can do alittle research and come up with the company name. i think its the pullrite superglide... at about $2400. eek! ive been looking at them myself. i retire in november and have been window shopping for campers. pullrite 16k superglide. $1400. http//tinyurl.com/b4pbn .
From : tom lawrence
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From : dennis
the brand name escapes me now but there is a brand of slider hitch that moves back automatically so you dont have to fuss with it. if the op is interested i can do alittle research and come up with the company name. i think its the pullrite superglide... at about $2400. eek! yup! pricey aint it mike .
From : bruce grant
hp does mean jack crap when it comes to a diesel. a 400hp semi will pull 80000 lbs but has 1400 to 1600 ft. lbs.of torque. says... i have a 97 dodge 3/4 ton hd with a 6 cylinder 5.9 liter 12 valve diesel. according to chrysler it puts out 235 hp. i pull a 7000lb 5th wheel with no problem. the manual says that the truck has a towing capacity of about 11500lbs. im considering a larger 5th wheel but im concerned about the horsepower of the truck versus the weight of a larger trailer. ive talked to the local dodge dealer about how to increase the hp but they are not very forthcoming with information. can someone give me some ideas about how to increase the trucks power. thanks 235 hp i dont think so. auto trans 180 hp. manual trans 215 hp. -- bruce grant westminster md 95 2500 club 4x4w/dynatrac manual hubs cummins/auto 265/70rx19.5g .
From : jay
not a very likely situation - which is my point. maybe hell listen to you clarence but dont bet on it. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. on wed 24 aug 2005 043107 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote lol no matter how low i think your knowlege is you jump in and prove me wrong by showing it to be much lower. locked armature starter current on a 59 olds was305 amps - and no load current was 100 amps. on a 61 olds it was 370 locked armature and 120 no load. no load current on a 1983 chrysler 360 was 90 amps and locked armature a mere 180 amps. most 4 cyl and v6 engines today run closer to 45 amps no load and 150 locked armature - with average cranking current less than 120 amps for less than 5 seconds. that is less than point two amp hours of battery capacity required to start the engine on todays vehicle whereas my old 57 fargo usually cranked for 15 seconds at 200 amps - which figures out to point eight amp hours. if the trunk had a 60 amp generator on it and charged at the full rate which it would not do it would charge for about a minute. at 30 amps it would charge for about 2 minutes. at 15 amps 4 minutes. in real world operating conditions the battery would reach a full state of charge in less than 10 minutes of charging at below 10 amps. on todays cars you are dividing that time by 4. frankly i cannot see this being an issue with regards to battery water usage. even your claim that recharging after a long draw and then a short huge draw wtfit is suspect as the system design takes into account the battery in that system and is designed not to cook the battery. yea max under normal conditions you would be right but that constant draw is not a normal condition and unless the person is using a deep cycle battery the battery is not designed for that either. many times my van sits with a 200ma draw 2.4 watts for an entire weekend say 3 days or 72 hours and starts with no problem and the battery recharges with no gassing or water loss. batteries generally last me about 3 years or more - my toyota went 7 years on the original but most are ready have been to be retired by the end of 4 years. so once again youve discussed things that are irrelevant. just because you dont understand it does not make it irrevelant. if the voltage was below 12.6 id agree you might possibly have a load problem - but it would in my opinion have to be significantly lower - like 11 or so. what are you talking about here a battery voltage of 12.6 or a system voltage of 12.6 if you dont know then you shouldnt be part of this discussion. you should be the last person to say this when it is obvious that you dont have a clue about the function of the charging system with your voltage means nothing bs and yet here you are. btw he was talking battery voltage. are you so sure about that depending on the battery type 12.6 static measure would be from fully charged to 3/4 charged and 11 would be stone cold dead again static measure in all types so if the battery was a low maintenance or a cheep battery 12.6 would be fully charged. ill speek for myself. battery voltage with the engine running system charging and whatever load applied to the system to reduce charging voltage to 12.6 or less. 12.6 volts with the charging system functioning means the load is drawing the entire output of the charging system. any less means the load is drawing all the system can produce plus it is drawing from the battery. not a very likely situation - which is my point. .
From : tom lawrence
i have a 2005 dakota quad cab 4x4 awd automatic with the 4.7lt v8. i average about 16.5 around town and 18.5 on the open highway with the ac running. i have about 8500 miles on the truck. i am thinking of buying a dakota but i hear that they are real gas hogs. is this consistant with the experience of the members of this groups thanks rq .
From : tom lawrence
lol it is fun to watch you spin. resistance is not only possible it is a guarantee unless you have invented the perfect material to make your connections and wires out of. as for the battery being accuratly monitored lol. if the voltage is within spec that is all that matters. if im correct im obviously not spinning anything. and that is the point you are not. how do you know the voltage is within spec if you arent measuring the voltage across the terminals because the voltage spec is between 13.9 and 14.9 according to the op and 14.2 is well within that range. and if we are both correct that resistance exists in a circuit how is it possible for your claim to be true that battery voltage across the terminals will match output voltage or be the same from positive terminal to ground as it is from terminal to terminal i never said that it was. you really need to stop spinning. i said that the voltage between the terminals cannot be higher than the voltage between the positive terminal and the block because the batteries ground connection is made at the block by one of those wire that has resistance and the voltage he measured was 14.2v within spec. who cares what the vr sees across the terminals. anyone who wants to know if the vr is working properly. perhaps the op in this case. if it wasnt working the voltage would either be battery voltage no output or somewhere above 15 volts excessive output. the only thing that matters is what the voltage actually is. if it is sitting at 14.2 then the vr is function properly despite your spin. and youve determined this how because an unregulated alternator is capable of putting out much higher voltages. i dont recall any specs being published let alone a make and model. because you didnt bother to read it. he posted them. all we know is that the vr switches on and off at known voltages and that 14.2 is between those voltages. we dont know what voltages it is supposed to operate between nor do we know what the system voltage is while its not charging. by not charging i hope that you mean not running or you really are clueless. he said between 13.9 and 14.9 volts according to the service manual. ahh yes pay attention yourself. how does the charging system determine output voltage thats right it monitors battery voltage. actually no it doesnt. it monitors system voltage and could give a rats ass about the battery. but didnt you just say that output voltage and battery voltage are the same or are you backing away from that now that youve confirmed my remarks about resistance and properly checking battery voltage actually the measured voltage at the batteries terminals is the same as the system voltage while the actual battery voltage is lower you do know that right if the system and battery voltage were the same the battery would never charge. your comment about properly checking battery voltage is just another example of you not knowing wtf you are talking about. lol we need do no such thing at least not as far as what the op said he is concerned with. 14.2v is 14.2v regardless of where the measurment is taken especially with regard to ground. the op is concerned with his battery being cooked. thus we do need to know how the vr is determining system voltage and what that system voltage is relative to the battery. we need do no such thing. the required voltage needs to be between 13.9 and 14.9 and it was measured to be 14.2 well within spec. if the battery is being cooked at that voltage the problem lies elsewhere. remember you first claimed that battery voltage and output voltage had to be the same then you claimed resistance existed in any circuit. so were back to my original claim better check all circuits in the charging system and make sure all are intact and functioning properly. you just dont get it. how many circuits do you think exist in the charging system as for resistance while it does exsist it could and many times is so low as to have no measurable effect. if the voltage is within spec it has to be functioning properly. hahahahahahahahaha you really dont have a clue. the voltage is 14.2v because the vr set it there. i do have a clue. ill repeat myself so you can figure it out. yes the vr sets the voltage but how it determines the output of the alternator relies on a circuit that reads system voltage so..... if that circuit is not functioning properly and the output exceeds demand itll cook the battery. lol if the output exceeded the demand for whatever reason then the voltage would be high much higher than the 14.2 that he measured. like i said you really dont have a clue. you really need to do a little reading and understanding of simple dc circuits. im not sure whats so hard for you to grasp here. ive repeatedly said that the vr has to have a good reference voltage if it does no
From : nosey
can someone give me some ideas about how to increase the trucks power. thanks http//www.tstproducts.com .
From : tom lawrence
granny grump wrote can someone give me some ideas about how to increase the trucks power. if you can find a cummins mechanic that has his/her own shop they will have the computer codes that will increase your hp..... the 97 isnt computer controlled. the electronic diesels werent available in the dodge until mid way through 98. .
From : nosey
azwiley1 wrote no a 50 would not be enough to run all your speakers and a sub too even in a tri-way set up. you would have to have a second larger amp to run the sub or buy a 4 or 5 channel amp to run them all.. i would go with mtx over fosgate i personally have had a lot of problems with fosgate but never a one with my mtx.. the thunder bridged would run an 8 or 10 sub with no problem by itself. with a 2 channel running your speakers what you will run into is that you will loose either your fade or balance due to how you will have to wire the speakers. a 4 channel will prevent that.. a 5 channel will run the speakers and a sub. other brands bazooka alpine kicker and all good amps that will be on the lower cost side.. i dont want to lose either the balance or fader so im looking at 4 channel amps. ill add another for the sub later. is it better to have an amp rated higher than the speakers or the speakers rated higher than the amp i can get a 60wx4 40wx4 or 30wx4 amp all priced within $50 of each other. oddly the cheapest amp profile seems to have better performance specs than the other two kenwood. is profile any good i found 2-25 watt rms pioneer and 6-45 watt rms kicker speakers for about the same price that will fit my truck. would the best combination be the 45 watt speakers with the 40 watt amp maybe the 25 watt speakers with the 30 watt amp would the cheaper 60 watt amp be too much for either of those speakers thanks for all the help so far. these are the items im looking at crutchfield comparison pages amps http//tinyurl.com/8w6j9 speakers http//tinyurl.com/c9kcl .
From : nosey
wrote funny....... i thought this was the usa. do you really think if we all drove 4 cylinders the gas prices would go down. im just so glad we have all that iraqi oil! funny but its not. sometimes all we can do is laugh at ourselves. this isnt just the usa. we have participants from several countries and at least one other planet. ;^ http//tinyurl.com/a4o7t .
From : jay
2003 qc ram 1500 2wd hemi 5.7l truck just went out of warranty. the usual brake shudder pulsating started up again dealer did the tsb 10k miles ago. so as suggested here in this group had a napa facility install their pads and heavy duty rotors. whew black dust is heavy but i am also getting a noise while driving that sounds like a bowl of bbs being spilled out on glass. if i tap the brakes it stops. it happens only occasionally but is this something to be concerned with also am getting a slight squeel just before coming to a full stop but that is curable by spraying the dust off the rotors at least it works for a couple days. the napa service advisor claims these noises are just something in the world of brakes that you have to live with like the constant black dust thanks. .