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86 Ramcharger w/360 suddenly stops running

From : Annonymous

Q: so the dark green/orange @ the coil/injectors is an input to the ecm i was told it was an output. if i put power to that wire at the coil the injectors get power as well as the ecm and right over to the relay box on the left front fender. still no start. we have no injector pulse during crank with that wire manually powered up as well. the ecm originally called for crank sensor and cam sensor. both were changed. thanks again. isnt the fuel pump as well we do have fuel pump. no the fuel pump is powered by the fuel pump relay. both the fuel pump relay and auto shutdown relay are fed by the same fuse and activated by the ecm on a single wire. from what you are saying you have a bad auto shutdown relay or an open wire to the relay. shouldnt the injectors/coil have ignition voltage ignition voltage not sure what you mean by ignition voltage but the injectors and coil should both have 12 volts. these are powered by the auto shutdown relay. i really appreciate it. .

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From : Annonymous

this same problem on my 00 was the apps which was not plugged in properly after a visit to the dealer for an injection pump. -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york dies out while driving down the road but starts soon after. -- message posted using more information at http//www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html .

From : nosey

on sep 1 324 pm tom lawrence tnooms4p8...@meimnbgaarlqlmoawield.com wrote when its cold it idles ok and sometimes when it is warm it will slowly raise the idle rpm and slowly fade back to normal. i can not really call it a rumble surge or loping. i can call it irritating. the fact that its only happening when warm is an important indicator - this seems to suggest that its only idling improperly when in closed loop mode. there are two modes of operation on a fuel-injected vehicle open-loop and closed-loop. when in open-loop mode the computer determines the amount of fuel to inject based on a fixed table called a fuel map based on several inputs the map sensor the tps the temp. sensor etc. in closed-loop mode the computer still uses those input as a suggestion of how much fuel to inject but relies on feedback from the oxygen sensors to adjust the fuel mixture up or down attempting to maintain a specific air/fuel ratio. since youre saying the idle only gets erratic when the engine has warmed up id suspect a faulty oxygen sensor. if i had a scan tool capable of displaying oxygen sensor outputs id use that to confirm these suspicions. id be somewhat leery of simply throwing an oxygen sensor or two depending on your specific vehicle because of the cost anywhere between $50 and $100. however this was exactly the problem with a friends 00 durango recently... erratic idling when warm stumbling during cruise cleared up when he floored the throttle - that also puts the engine back into open-loop mode etc. even though there were no codes set it was the oxygen sensor that was the culprit. after changing that out his problems were solved. tom thanks. i was reluctant to go after the temperature sensor because of its location. well i bit the bullet and went after it yesterday. when i stuck my hand down in there to pull the connection off i had the first indication of a possible problem the insulation was coming off the wire. when i finally got it out it looked like the wire was all chewed up shorted in some spots and had that ash gray burnt look. i cut out the bad section soldiered in a good stretch of wire heat shrink wrapped the connections and taped it all up. i checked the reference voltage and it was right on the money. because i had a new sensor i put it in. i drove it much of the afternoon yesterday with only a few indications of an idle problem but it went right away. so i can not say for sure that i got it worked out but i feel much more comfortable. i am getting real good about taking the engine cover off from the inside of the van. because it is a conversion there is all kinds of stuff screwed to it. thanks fred ps the only thing really left to change now is the crank sensor and the o2 sensor. .

From : Annonymous

you can try to loosen up the hinges jacking the door up to the correct height and tightening them back down but in many cases this indicates that the hinges are just worn out and need to be either rebuilt or replaced. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving the drivers door on my 97 dakota is sagging. what is the best way to fix this thanks ken .

From : scott hendryx

miles wrote running any other hardware either. like ... apple used to be or the ibm system 36 as/400 etc. wrong. apple os has been run on other computers. the apple ii+ was cloned by many companies until apple sued them and won...because they produced a closed system. there have been os9 clone computers as well sold overseas. apple fought them and production has pretty much been shut down. so then your definition of a closed system has now been modified to a set of hardware or software that has an owner and therefore legal rights to the hardware/software so red hat linux is closed then right based on an open system but has elements/applications that are closed. pardon me but i *completely* disagree that your open systems are superior as you state. they are prone to hacks and mods by would-be programmers. youd be hard pressed to convince any rational human that a miles open system is superior to anything greater than a tricycle. version control alone on your open system would sink a company. never said they didnt deserve it. but its a technology that isnt taking off very fast. its a technology that isnt taking off at all. thats why apple has begun to abandon it. im puzzled as to why you find the topic of firewire worthy of debating. its just another technology that didnt take off. there are thousands of examples that fit your definition of both open and closed systems that never took off. craig c. .

From : bryan

craig c. wrote my definition of a closed system is this xyz company creates a machine hardware and the software to run the machine os. no other os is capable of running this hardware. the os isnt capable of running any other hardware either. like ... apple used to be or the ibm system 36 as/400 etc. wrong. apple os has been run on other computers. the apple ii+ was cloned by many companies until apple sued them and won...because they produced a closed system. there have been os9 clone computers as well sold overseas. apple fought them and production has pretty much been shut down. the ibms you mention were cloned by companies such as itel. the latter ran an os called music which would run native apps designed for the ibm. regarding your comments about firewire or ieee 1394 it was created by apple ti sony dec and ibm as a replacement to scsi. seagate and western digital were in on the technology as well. so miles it isnt just big bad apple trying to rape the consumer. they put a lot of development efforts into ieee 1394 and they deserve payment. never said they didnt deserve it. but its a technology that isnt taking off very fast. usb 2 keeps up with firewire and doesnt require a manufacture to pay anyone any royalties. its an open platform. .

From : bob az

i have a 1990 dakota se 4 cyl 2.5l 5 sp od and the wipers just quit. it pumps washer fluid and the wiper motor sounds like its running but no wiper action. has the motor seized up somehow or is there something loose between motor and wipers thanks for any helpful input! karl theres a plastic bushing that attaches the motor to the linkage its worn out. new ones are less than ten bucks at the dealer. for me the bushings seem to have a 1015 year life span. if yours is original youve done well. .

From : max dodge

so the dark green/orange @ the coil/injectors is an input to the ecm it is a 12 volt feed wire coming from the shutdown relay. it powers the injectors coil and ecm. i was told it was an output. no. if i put power to that wire at the coil the injectors get power as well as the ecm and right over to the relay box on the left front fender. you need to find out why it has no power on its own. still no start. we have no injector pulse during crank with that wire manually powered up as well. you may have a wiring harness problem i would fix the no power from the auto shutdown relay first. the ecm originally called for crank sensor and cam sensor. both were changed. did the engine ever run at all if yes was it before or after the cam and crank sensors were replaced thanks again. isnt the fuel pump as well we do have fuel pump. no the fuel pump is powered by the fuel pump relay. both the fuel pump relay and auto shutdown relay are fed by the same fuse and activated by the ecm on a single wire. from what you are saying you have a bad auto shutdown relay or an open wire to the relay. shouldnt the injectors/coil have ignition voltage ignition voltage not sure what you mean by ignition voltage but the injectors and coil should both have 12 volts. these are powered by the auto shutdown relay. i really appreciate it. .

From : Annonymous

theguy@whatever.net wrote on tue 28 aug 2007 001557 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolbits.net wrote edith on aug 26 722 pm beryl terra...@coolbits.net wrote ask the it tech what needs to be flashed when you install a hard drive. -- you really dont know shit than do you cock breath flash cock breath when you recover from a hdd crash or failure and you are starting from fresh some thing will need to be flashed for the system to work properly again. but fuck im only an it tech what the hell do i uh must have mis-understood this one myself but im sure someone will correct me post haste.. i have been dicking with computers for at least half my life and cant recall a single time flashing anything except my middle finger at the computer when recovering the system. unless of course you consider installing an os on the new hard drive to be flashing the new os onto the system. go ahead flame on. as usual beryl jumped to several conclusions in that thread in an attempt to insult me. except it was you who plopped into the thread with incorrect assumptions in your attempt to insult me. jun 21 2007 911 pm you posted something about 2-6v golf cart batteries in series versus 2-12v batteries in parallel that you had read many years ago in an rv magazine but i doubt you understood the nature of the article. and after i explained to you that the article was about connections - parallel vs. series connections - *not* about different types of batteries you never even thanked me! you got some kind of problem first he at least i think its a male assumed i was installing adobe flash player naturally. during the time of the electrical questions thread my computer suffered a hard drive crash it took me a few days to re-install the os drivers a few flash updates i had missed restore from backup etc. so does a bios flash have anything to do with reloading the junk on your hard drive hmmm heres one example of your sloppiness edith you dont read so well. i stated that i installed some flash updates that i had missed. i never said i re-installed them moron. but you clearly did say you re-installed them *moron*. are drivers and flash updates just hanging there in mid-sentence with no verb to indicate what you did with them no! flash updates were re-installed according to you. then it assumed i re-installed the same version of the system bios did i inconsequential but go ahead and point it out anyway. i think youre making it up. then it assumed i didnt perform any software or hardware upgrades. inconsequential but point it out. i think youre making this up too. because it never asked me a question only attempted to i asked you quite a few but youd never answer them. i think the electrical questions thread that you looked at got you spooked and you were afraid to give any specifics when asked. i explained that i choose what i want to flash to my bios while you made vague remarks about wanting to override a flash after it began. you avoided giving any details. apparently you do some live online flash updates just click an *ok* button and hope for the best. but who knows belittle me i played with it letting it make assumptions and i only corrected it when it was wrong typical corrections you frequently make assumptions in your desire to be an ass. would seem to be an accurate description of you sheryl. your a moron. a rose is still a .......well you get it. youre a moron would also be a good description of you sheryl. you assume often which makes youre posts so stupidly funny. i sort of like that one. again your assumptions lead you to argue about a wrong conclusion. nice. i dont feel like spelling it out for you. which was just about every reply to me. 1 or 2 questions on its part may have prevented it from looking like an ass but i doubt that; its not its habit to to be helpful only to attack. depends on the crowd ^ a punk infested group invites attacks. given beryls reputation in this ng just search for his posts and youll see enough to know what i mean thanks edith! azwiley1 got caught up in it too and later and later regretted it. gave a specific example regarding the above quote but beryl doesnt seem to believe him. of course i dont believe him! the little goof was getting data corruption with his sata drive and proclaimed that some mysterious thing needs to be flashed whenever a new drive is installed. and then he denied ever saying that really care to show me where you cant because i never said that and i have re-read ever post i have made in this thread concerning this. im not familiar with the hardware in the example so i cant comment on that. its generic the specific board and drive make no difference and werent even mentioned in the little goofs original statement. you just

From : fawilson

fred wrote bob azwrote with the engine running i have jiggled and wiggled every wire and harness under my hood and dash and unable to get it to stop. what am i missing has anyone else had a similar problem pickup coil in the distributor. when you pull the distributor to change it and before removing the coil check for continuity while wiggling or flexing the wires. bob az here is another thought just a thought. we had a 1997 jeep cherokee that would die for no reason what so ever. by time i would get to where my wife broke down it would fire up and run fine. it turned out to be the ignition coil. the same thing happen several time some years later turned out to be ignition coil. we now have a 1996 dodge van. my wife called and said it just quit. on my way to get her i ran by the parts store and picked up a coil. got to her it fired right up. i changed the coil anyway no more problems with it dieing out of the blue. fred ignition coils are sensitive to heat -- the resistance of the wire inside increases with temperature. so where did/do car manufacturers mount the coils on the engine -- the *hottest* part in the engine bay! bryan .

From : tbone

injectors and coil should both have 12 volts. these are powered by the auto shutdown relay. i really appreciate it. . 222 338652 13d9oe7k1q86v29@corp.super.com no. the first problem was distributor. the distributor got all piled up inside. it was changed. the codes were after this. we are wondering if the distributor problem has caused some other damage. all fuses are good all splices seem intact under the hood. thanks . did the vehicle ever run after they were changed -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving so the dark green/orange @ the coil/injectors is an input to the ecm i was told it was an output. if i put power to that wire at the coil the injectors get power as well as the ecm and right over to the relay box on the left front fender. still no start. we have no injector pulse during crank with that wire manually powered up as well. the ecm originally called for crank sensor and cam sensor. both were changed. thanks again. isnt the fuel pump as well we do have fuel pump. no the fuel pump is powered by the fuel pump relay. both the fuel pump relay and auto shutdown relay are fed by the same fuse and activated by the ecm on a single wire. from what you are saying you have a bad auto shutdown relay or an open wire to the relay. shouldnt the injectors/coil have ignition voltage ignition voltage not sure what you mean by ignition voltage but the injectors and coil should both have 12 volts. these are powered by the auto shutdown relay. i really appreciate it. .