77 power wagon with 360 problem
From : Annonymous
Q: on tue 18 sep 2007 215709 -0400 bdk bdk@magicsteel.com wrote probably the intake manifold gaskets are bad a very common small block problem. my 77 had major problems with it until i used the right gaskets and some insanely bad smelling glue on them. i had 3 360 powered vehicles a 74 roadrunner the 77 pwagon and an 86 ramcharger and all had to have the gaskets changed at least once. i only had the ramcharger a short time before i sold it but the other ones were bought new and i had them both for over 3 years. i think this guy hit it right on the head with the intake gasket suggestion. old dodge 360s are not the only engine to suffer for this. even some new ones do too. btw a 700 or 750 is way to big for that engine bigger is not better with carbs it would run better over all with something around a 500 to 550. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
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From : Annonymous
i thought when i was in the army in the 70s that the power wagon i had had a 340 in it -- ------moparman------ tedward said eggs are really good for you. they have all the nutrition needed to make a chicken. .
From : johninky
i am restoring a 1977 warlock 4wd and i am looking for urethane motor and transmission mounts for a 360. any ideas where to find these does anyone know if the factory fl brake line mounted to the axle is the same on swb and lwb mine was previously re-routed and id like to replace it with an original design. thanks .
From : bdk
wayne j. wrote wayne j. wrote if the coil is needed it will come on when i turn the key to on. i did not know there was a self test. in most vehicles all the lights light up when the key is first turned on. it seems thats not so on dodges. only certain lights come on. however doing the full test as fmb described does light up all lights. so now i know the coil bulb works! now i am going to have to go and try that out. thks wayne it doesnt work for every cluster bulb on all model year trucks. the full cluster test wont light up the 4x4 light on my 99 ram but it comes on when i lock the transfer case. -- ken .
From : nosey
wayne j. wrote if the coil is needed it will come on when i turn the key to on. i did not know there was a self test. in most vehicles all the lights light up when the key is first turned on. it seems thats not so on dodges. only certain lights come on. however doing the full test as fmb described does light up all lights. so now i know the coil bulb works! now i am going to have to go and try that out. thks wayne .
From : Annonymous
bassfishin911@msn.com wrote ok well i put new intake manifold gaskets and a different manifold on the motor..before i put the gaskets on i made sure that the manifold fitted the angles and everything of the heads..it fit like a glove...absolutly perfect..it did have oil inside the old manifold that i took off..should it be therei put everything back together and shes still smokin like a b*tch...what should i do nowthanks there should not be oil in the intake runners. was the oil evenly distributed throughout the manifold or was it only found in one section are you using a pcv valve if you take the oil fill cap off while the engine is running do excessive vapors escape its normal for some vapors to whisp out of the oil fill but it shouldnt be pumping out smoke. when you did the compression test what were the results what did the spark plugs look like were any them wet or heavily carbon crusted do you have milky looking oil or coolant if you run it with the radiator cap loose does it quit smoking -- ken .
From : bigironram
says... bassfishin911@msn.com wrote ok well i put new intake manifold gaskets and a different manifold on the motor..before i put the gaskets on i made sure that the manifold fitted the angles and everything of the heads..it fit like a glove...absolutly perfect..it did have oil inside the old manifold that i took off..should it be therei put everything back together and shes still smokin like a b*tch...what should i do nowthanks there should not be oil in the intake runners. was the oil evenly distributed throughout the manifold or was it only found in one section are you using a pcv valve if you take the oil fill cap off while the engine is running do excessive vapors escape its normal for some vapors to whisp out of the oil fill but it shouldnt be pumping out smoke. when you did the compression test what were the results what did the spark plugs look like were any them wet or heavily carbon crusted do you have milky looking oil or coolant if you run it with the radiator cap loose does it quit smoking if its using that much oil and it was a gasket issue. i would think you would see an obvious problem when you pulled off the manifold like places where no contact was made when it was tightened up. there isnt any crack in it is there like where oil splash would be sucked right in. my 77 power wagons 360 didnt have a single straight edge on the heads. i replaced them with a set i found in a junkyard right out of a freshly wrecked charger. those were straight and after porting them and solving the intake leak issue it finally ran great and used no oil. i just wonder if the thing has messed up rings so bad its just pumping oil. there would be massive blowby and taking off the oil filler would definitely show it. a compression check would probably show several nearly dead cylinders or one horrible one. bdk .
From : johninky
leen3lpj wrote i have play in my steeringi think i heard this is a common problem.im looking for the problem and about how much it will cost to fix. a worn track bar is a common cause of this problem. you have several options http//www.lukeslink.com/trackbar.html http//ramchargercentral.com/index.phpaction=howtoshow;id=92 http//dodgeram.info/tech/mods/trackbar/index.html http//www.solidsteel.biz check out this video. its a ram with only 93000 miles on it and the track bar was worn out. the guy said he had the cruise set at 75 mph when it happened. watch the front tires. http//www.firepunk.com/videos/deathwobble.wmv -- ken .
From : snoman
reverse rotation = front differencial no - a reverse-rotation diff has the pinion located above the centerline of the ring gear vs. below in a standard rotation diff. its got nothing to do with front vs. rear. .
From : Annonymous
per dodges website the exhaust brake item code 76k is not available after 3/9/2007. is that because on the 07s and up its integrated so they stopped offering it as a separate factory option or did they actually stop offering it for install on the 5.9l-equipped trucks starting in 06 dodge finally got their shit together with transmission hardware and ecm software to implement an exhaust brake - the dealer should still be able to install it. .
From : tom lawrencebigironram
on thu 20 sep 2007 164654 -0400 tom lawrence tnooms4p8a8m@meimnbgaarlqlmoawield.com wrote discontinued. any reason not to go with this engine and instead opt for the newer models one issue i see is that the new engine also comes with an exhaust brake which i do not see listed on this truck. the 5.9l is a proven engine. theres nothing really new with the 6.7l engine in and of itself to raise reliability concerns but there certainly is in the emissions systems. thats still a big question mark. youre also giving up a 6spd transmission for the 4spd assuming were talking automatic transmissions here. the exhaust brake is integrated into the 6.7l engine via its variable-geometry turbo. you can add a traditional butterfly-style exhaust brake to the 5.9l-equipped truck factory approved dealer installed for about $1300 or so. even with the loss of two extra gears 6spd vs. 4spd and the little loss of power/torque 350/650 vs. 325/610 id be hard-pressed to pass up a $29k truck over what would probably work out to be a $40k truck at least. also for what it is worth from what i have read the 5.9 is about 170 pounds lighter than 6.7 with most of the extra weight going to new emissions hardware and in theory more stuff to fail or need servicing over time. the 5.9 is a well proven mill and very mature in design while 6.7 is still quite young. it also remains to be seen how the mpg will pan out on 6.7 and it is nice to give them a few years to get the bugs out of any new tranny from any maker and not be a test dummy for it yourself. for the money i would get 5.9 sweet deal unless you feel that you really need the 6.7. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : roy
discontinued. any reason not to go with this engine and instead opt for the newer models one issue i see is that the new engine also comes with an exhaust brake which i do not see listed on this truck. the 5.9l is a proven engine. theres nothing really new with the 6.7l engine in and of itself to raise reliability concerns but there certainly is in the emissions systems. thats still a big question mark. youre also giving up a 6spd transmission for the 4spd assuming were talking automatic transmissions here. the exhaust brake is integrated into the 6.7l engine via its variable-geometry turbo. you can add a traditional butterfly-style exhaust brake to the 5.9l-equipped truck factory approved dealer installed for about $1300 or so. even with the loss of two extra gears 6spd vs. 4spd and the little loss of power/torque 350/650 vs. 325/610 id be hard-pressed to pass up a $29k truck over what would probably work out to be a $40k truck at least. .
From : diamond dave
on sep 20 242 pm snoman ad...@snoman.com wrote on thu 20 sep 2007 164654 -0400 tom lawrence tnooms4p8...@meimnbgaarlqlmoawield.com wrote discontinued. any reason not to go with this engine and instead opt for the newer models one issue i see is that the new engine also comes with an exhaust brake which i do not see listed on this truck. the 5.9l is a proven engine. theres nothing really new with the 6.7l engine in and of itself to raise reliability concerns but there certainly is in the emissions systems. thats still a big question mark. youre also giving up a 6spd transmission for the 4spd assuming were talking automatic transmissions here. the exhaust brake is integrated into the 6.7l engine via its variable-geometry turbo. you can add a traditional butterfly-style exhaust brake to the 5.9l-equipped truck factory approved dealer installed for about $1300 or so. even with the loss of two extra gears 6spd vs. 4spd and the little loss of power/torque 350/650 vs. 325/610 id be hard-pressed to pass up a $29k truck over what would probably work out to be a $40k truck at least. also for what it is worth from what i have read the 5.9 is about 170 pounds lighter than 6.7 with most of the extra weight going to new emissions hardware and
From : larryd
over time. the 5.9 is a well proven mill and very mature in design while 6.7 is still quite young. it also remains to be seen how the mpg will pan out on 6.7 and it is nice to give them a few years to get the bugs out of any new tranny from any maker and not be a test dummy for it yourself. for the money i would get 5.9 sweet deal unless you feel that you really need the 6.7. ----------------- thesnoman.com- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i suppose the one thing that i would want to add would be the exhaust brake. it is not listed as an available option. i have heard that dodge will void portions of the warranty if an exhaust brake is used with certain transmissions on certain years. found out i cant get all the discounts i was hoping for. this trucks msrp is 42k the 44k included 2k of bogus dealer ads. i got a copy of the invoice and its 38.5k. i can buy it for 33.7k. the invoice date is 11/29/2006 which is odd to me for a new truck. does this mean this truck has been sitting on the lot for this long seems unusual. or it was sold and financing fell through and returned. will have to check on that. . 222 339216 n606f31f6oft85g6sft4vd4tbbvuj0spcu@4ax.com on thu 20 sep 2007 152117 -0700 larryd larrydykeman@yahoo.com wrote chrysler transmissions didnt use vacuum modulators makes them great candidates for super and turbocharging. good thought though tranny fluid makes great clouds of white smoke.- hide quoted text - another white smoke source can be brake fluid being sucked in thru the power booster if the master cylinder is leaking badly out its rear seal. only seen this once in 25 years of brake work. .
From : larryd
all my hoses checked out ok so far. one thing i did find though was on the evap can on the frame rail....the flex hose that connects to the hard line tubing....there is a connector that i fiddled with and as i rotated it it sort of snapped as though the internal seal o-ring released from years of sitting in the same position. just as though it were stuck in one place. from my experience o-rings require lube and are designed to not be secured in place as this one seemed to be. i reset and am currently awaiting the codes return...or hopefully its permanent departure. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels jmc wrote suddenly without warning carolina watercraft works exclaimed 9/20/2007 556 am or not!!! damn code came back on.....underneath i go.............. yea for me it stayed off until i filled the tank... then it came back on. gas cap was the first thing i tried as well. jurys still out whether itll stay off after the mechanic found a cracked hose in my 01 dak it was a hose on the right side of the engine only about a foot long or so; i havent filled the tank since the repair was made. originally i thought vacuum had returned but i was mistaken. still no pssst when i remove the gas cap. jmc by right side do you mean drivers side or passengers side im looking for the same thing on a friends truck. thanks. bob .
From : snoman
on sep 18 946 pm bassfishin...@msn.com wrote ok a buddy of mine just bought a 77 power wagon that was one of them military 1 1/4 ton ones i think they were.. well anyway its got a 360 that was rebuilt anout 1000 miles ago it has an edelbrock manifold with a holley 700 or 750 4 bbl carb... it just started smokin out the tailpipe very bad he runs it to and from work and it burns about a quart of oil a day.....head gasket valve seals what could it bebut it is very white smoke..while its ideling and even if hes only goin 10mph...any info is greatly appreciated and also we would like to convert it from full time 4x4 to part time...can i just get a set of louckout hubs or is there more involved...thanks alot well i could be way off base here but this exact thing happened to me many years ago. i had a 65 chevy impala ss with a 283 with powerglide tranny. you didnt say if you had an auto tranny and i have no idea if the dodge was in any way similar to chevys setup but..... i was getting clouds of white smoke out of my exhaust....turned out it was a small diaphram valve on the auto tranny which was hooked up to a vacuum hose on the engine. the diaphram blew and the engine was sucking tranny fluid making immense clouds of white smoke. i know this is a very long shot but my symptoms were the same except for the engine using oil the transmission was though!. larryd .
From : bryan
what exactly do you mean by grease -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i finally got the local chrysler dealer to print me out one so i dont need the complete print out but im still trying to find out if i have a limited slip rear end i cant read the tag on it. the build sheet says it is a drbp corporate 9.25 ld rear axle is this the one that needs the special grease and additive tia tom if your truck is equipped with the lsa the build sheet will indicate that. if the build sheet doesnt mention a lsa then you do not have it. mike one more question how much grease and what do you recommend i tow a 3500 lb 17 ft trailer once in awhile. the rest of the time i drive it 20 miles a day back and forth to work. tia tom .
From : bdk
i finally got the local chrysler dealer to print me out one so i dont need the complete print out but im still trying to find out if i have a limited slip rear end i cant read the tag on it. the build sheet says it is a drbp corporate 9.25 ld rear axle is this the one that needs the special grease and additive tia tom if your truck is equipped with the lsa the build sheet will indicate that. if the build sheet doesnt mention a lsa then you do not have it. mike one more question how much grease and what do you recommend i tow a 3500 lb 17 ft trailer once in awhile. the rest of the time i drive it 20 miles a day back and forth to work. tia tom .
From : sqdancerlynn
if you need to replace the idler or belt tensioner get them from the dealer not crappy auto -- more information at http//www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html .
From : moparman
bassfishin911 wrote well i dont know how to tell the difference you may be right....the guy that my buddy got it from told him that it was a rebuilt 360.....where are the numbers so i can fingure out which it has in itthanks itll be cast into the passenger side of the block... 360-2 etc. bryan .
From : Annonymous
scott.hendryx.clothes@sbcglobal.net says... i thought when i was in the army in the 70s that the power wagon i had had a 340 in it they quit making the 340 at the end of the 73 year and the 360 replaced it. bdk .
From : moparman
i need to remove the dash faceplate around the 6cd changer radio to gain access to the antennae to install the traffic report module for my garmin. i looked quickly thinking it would be obvious this being my 5th ram. this is a larimie w/ the wood trim around the radio. thanks .
From : moparman
i need to remove the dash faceplate around the 6cd changer radio to gain access to the antennae to install the traffic report module for my garmin. i looked quickly thinking it would be obvious this being my 5th ram. this is a larimie w/ the wood trim around the radio. thanks i use a crow bar and hammer it popped right off! -- ------moparman------ tedward said eggs are really good for you. they have all the nutrition needed to make a chicken. .
From : Annonymous
on sep 19 335 pm moparman scott.hendryx.clot...@sbcglobal.net wrote i thought when i was in the army in the 70s that the power wagon i had had a 340 in it -- ------moparman------ tedward said eggs are really good for you. they have all the nutrition needed to make a chicken. well i dont know how to tell the difference you may be right....the guy that my buddy got it from told him that it was a rebuilt 360.....where are the numbers so i can fingure out which it has in itthanks dood i dont remember that long ago i am getting old. but im pretty sure mine had a 340 in it. the military ones just said dodge powerwagon on them and nothing else. -- ------moparman------ tedward said eggs are really good for you. they have all the nutrition needed to make a chicken. .
From : moparman
or not!!! damn code came back on.....underneath i go.............. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels it appears to have been the gas cap. thanks for all the input everyone. once im done moving all my stuff out of the house remodeling ill crawl underneath to check everything else...just to know how all hoses are doing. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels i stopped by the dealer to get one of those hoses....just in case. while i was there i learnt that there were 3 rams in for the samevcode and all three ended up being the cap. they had several in stock so i replaced mine and reset the dtcs....ill let you guys know in a day or so what the verdict is. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels maybe i gave you the wrong location for the can i dont have a service manual for your truck in my hands here at the house and cant remember exactly where else they hid those things. hopefully tom or denny or someone else with more exact information will chime in here in a bit. passenger-side frame rail on the outside. ones round ones rectangular. i second the gas-cap... check that first. .
From : snoman
on sep 19 929 am snoman ad...@snoman.com wrote on wed 19 sep 2007 040510 -0400 bdk b...@magicsteel.com wrote a 700 or 750 should work ok 360 is going to use about 550 cfm at 5500 rpm at most and a stock one will be long past is power range at that rpm. 4 bbl are flow rated at a 1.5 inch pressure drop 2 bbls 3 inches so even a 500 will flow more than 500 cfm. smaller carbs give higher mixture veleocites and better reaponce at lower and mid range rpms. many use big carbs think thay help but they never bothers to try a smaller carb to see how it would indeed run. i think it is the number os saying that they have a 750 or 850 on there small block that it makes it bad when with a smaller carb it would be badder most of the time. ----------------- thesnoman.com ok well if it has anything to do with it.. it does have a mild saturday night special cam in it... but it just started smoking like 3 days ago and hes been driving it every day for the past two weeks with no smoke at all...the smoke now is absolutly rediculous he actually got pulled over by a cop wen he went into down yesterday....... the guy only used it to plow in the winter so it wasnt driven very much now my freind drives it everyday...i will check compression as soon as i can get the plugs beoke loose they are very rusted into the head they are goin to be a b*tch to get out what is the ideal compression for a 360i only really mess with chevy smallblocks....if compression is good then i will pull the manifold and drop a set of gaskets on...should i just get a junkyard cast iron manifold thanks alot you guys realy help out alot and i really appreciate it... .
From : bdk
i finally got the local chrysler dealer to print me out one so i dont need the complete print out but im still trying to find out if i have a limited slip rear end i cant read the tag on it. the build sheet says it is a drbp corporate 9.25 ld rear axle is this the one that needs the special grease and additive tia tom if your truck is equipped with the lsa the build sheet will indicate that. if the build sheet doesnt mention a lsa then you do not have it. mike thanks mike i dont see anything about lsa on the build sheet so i guess that means i dont need the special additive. tom .
From : bryan
i finally got the local chrysler dealer to print me out one so i dont need the complete print out but im still trying to find out if i have a limited slip rear end i cant read the tag on it. the build sheet says it is a drbp corporate 9.25 ld rear axle is this the one that needs the special grease and additive tia tom if your truck is equipped with the lsa the build sheet will indicate that. if the build sheet doesnt mention a lsa then you do not have it. mike hi does anyone in this group have access to the dc computer that can send me a build sheet for my dakota if i send them the vin tia tom r .
From : snoman
bryan.swadenernospam@comcast.net says... bassfishin911 wrote ok a buddy of mine just bought a 77 power wagon that was one of them military 1 1/4 ton ones i think they were.. well anyway its got a 360 that was rebuilt anout 1000 miles ago it has an edelbrock manifold with a holley 700 or 750 4 bbl carb... it just started smokin out the tailpipe very bad he runs it to and from work and it burns about a quart of oil a day.....head gasket valve seals what could it bebut it is very white smoke..while its ideling and even if hes only goin 10mph...any info is greatly appreciated and also we would like to convert it from full time 4x4 to part time...can i just get a set of louckout hubs or is there more involved...thanks alot i agree with some of the other replies -- he could very-well be sucking crankcase oil fumes into the intake ports. i suggest that after verifying the compression is good he start by checking the fit of the manifold to the heads. if its a b*itch to get the manifold sit low-enough to get the bolts in youre likely sucking crankcase oil and the manifold should be shaved to fit or the gaskets are too thick. if the bolt holes in the manifold line-up on-center with the threaded holes in the heads
From : bdk
place and allowing for a small amount of gasket compression hes fine as far as fit goes. the other concern are the gaskets themselves. while the oem cast iron intake manifold will work with the teflon gaskets felpro permatorque etc aluminum intake manifolds have a tendency to warp when those types of gaskets are used. my automotive machinist clued me in about that when my racecars 340 holley strip dominator manifold wouldnt return to idle as quick as it should. he suggested i use paper gaskets. i dunno if theyre still made but my machinist suggests 75 360 gaskets made by victor or if the manifold fits loose gaskets made by mr. gasket theyre thicker. with the paper gaskets use *a little* sealer permatex aviation form-a-gasket high-tack etc around the ports. be sure to not overtorque the bolts youll have to guess at the middle bolts. on the other hand my other 340s oem cast iron intake manifold is so rigid i can use whatever gasket i throw at it. the end seals under the front and rear of the manifold in the gasket kits are either soft foam which weep after time or cork/rubber which are a b*itch to compress. chrysler used roll pins to locate these end seals in place. my machinist discards the roll pins & end seals and lays down a suitable bead of rtv silicone rubber after cleaning *all* oil from the gasket and engine block surfaces. never a leak and the manifold is easy to get to sit down onto the intake gaskets. your friends carb might be a /tad/ on the large side but still should be ok. a smaller carb would have somewhat better off-idle throttle response due to the smaller venturis at the sacrifice of a little top-end power. i believe that the ideal size carb for a bone-stock hp or slightly warmed 340/360hp would be 600-650 cfm so youre likely not tooo much over that number. i cant help you with the 4x4 stuff... no savvy there! bryan 68 barracuda 340-s bracket racer 69 barracuda 340-s convertible a 700 or 750 should work ok since they had a thermoquad on my roadrunner and it was an 850 i think. i knew a guy that bought a 73 charger with a 340 and a 750 holley on it aftermarket. the holley got cracked by his brother when he got carried away tightening it up so he borrowed my spare tq and kickdown linkage assembled out of several corpses i got from a junkyard and it ran a lot better on and off the track. a tq that is set up right is unbeatable for milage and for power. my power wagon came with a holley 2 bbl and i swapped it to the aluminum version of the stock 4 barrel and put an afb i got cheap on it as soon as the warranty ran out. once a flat spot just off idle was fixed by a local carb guru and his magic drill bit it ran great and had great throttle response. i added a cam lifters and had a friends uncle clean up the intake and lightly port the heads and it ran great 15.10s when it was 110 degrees out and solidly in the 14s when it was cool out. it was loud with the giant pipes and turbo mufflers i had on it. i still miss that truck but it sure was a pos. bdk . 222 339174 1vadnsqrvospn23bnz2dnuvzr-vnz2d@giga.com bassfishin911 wrote ok a buddy of mine just bought a 77 power wagon that was one of them military 1 1/4 ton ones i think they were.. well anyway its got a 360 that was rebuilt anout 1000 miles ago it has an edelbrock manifold with a holley 700 or 750 4 bbl carb... it just started smokin out the tailpipe very bad he runs it to and from work and it burns about a quart of oil a day.....head gasket valve seals what could it bebut it is very white smoke..while its ideling and even if hes only goin 10mph...any info is greatly appreciated and also we would like to convert it from full time 4x4 to part time...can i just get a set of louckout hubs or is there more involved...thanks alot i agree with some of the other replies -- he could very-well be sucking crankcase oil fumes into the intake ports. i suggest that after verifying the compression is good he start by checking the fit of the manifold to the heads. if its a b*itch to get the manifold sit low-enough to get the bolts in youre likely sucking crankcase oil and the manifold should be shaved to fit or the gaskets are too thick. if the bolt holes in the manifold line-up on-center with the threaded holes in the heads with gaskets in place and allowing for a small amount of gasket compression hes fine as far as fit goes. the other concern are the gaskets themselves. while the oem cast iron intake manifold will work with the teflon gaskets felpro permatorque etc aluminum intake manifolds have a tendency to warp when those types of gaskets are used. my automotive machinist clued me in about that when my racecars 340 holley strip dominator manifold wouldnt return to idle as quick as it should. he suggested i use paper gaskets. i dunno if theyre still made but my machinist suggests 75 360 gaskets made by victor or if the ma