2500 diesel tire pressures
From : justinw
Q: the doorplate on my truck says to fill the tires to 65 psi front and 80 psi rear. are those pressures ok for tire wear if the truck is being driven with no load if not how would i determine the correct tire pressure to create an uniform tire footprint for even tire wear .
Replies:
From : kvand
justin for what its worth my 06 says to inflate the rear to 40psi and the front to 50psi when not loaded. when loaded it says rear at 70 and front to 60 psi. the tires are load range e with max inflation to 80 psi. kevin .
From : bigironram
the doorplate on my truck says to fill the tires to 65 psi front and 80 psi rear. are those pressures ok for tire wear if the truck is being driven with no load if not how would i determine the correct tire pressure to create an uniform tire footprint for even tire wear you may find this more helpful page 7 of the first link is probably what youre looking for. http//www.goodyear.com/truck/pdf/databook/loadinflation.pdf http//www.goodyear.com/rv/pdf/rvinflation.pdf .
From : greg surratt
on sun 06 aug 2006 005920 -0500 js jsuter@intrastardot.net wrote then why exactly do decent tire manufacturers offer documentation with suggested pressures for given loading operation speed and ambient temperature it depends on who you talk to. i am running bfg 245/75-17e on my dually. i got no documentation other than the doorpost sticker when i bought the truck new. i emailed bfg and asked for load/inflation tables since they were not to be found on the web. bfg snail-mailed me the requested tables. they show ratings from 35 psi @ 1100 lbs to 80 psi @ 3910 lbs. for single tire usage. there is no dual tire rating yet on the sidewall of the tires they do show a dual rating. they included a letter that said i should adjust the tire pressures according to the loading. i emailed them back and asked about dual tire configurations. my truck has 3600 lbs on the rear axle 4800 on the front. their answer use the door sticker information. which conflicts with their first answer of inflate to the pressures shown on the inflation tables for the loading on the tires. greg .
From : moparman
on sun 06 aug 2006 005920 -0500 js jsuter@intrastardot.net wrote then why exactly do decent tire manufacturers offer documentation with suggested pressures for given loading operation speed and ambient temperature it depends on who you talk to. i am running bfg 245/75-17e on my dually. i got no documentation other than the doorpost sticker when i bought the truck new. i emailed bfg and asked for load/inflation tables since they were not to be found on the web. bfg snail-mailed me the requested tables. they show ratings from 35 psi @ 1100 lbs to 80 psi @ 3910 lbs. for single tire usage. there is no dual tire rating yet on the sidewall of the tires they do show a dual rating. they included a letter that said i should adjust the tire pressures according to the loading. i emailed them back and asked about dual tire configurations. my truck has 3600 lbs on the rear axle 4800 on the front. their answer use the door sticker information. which conflicts with their first answer of inflate to the pressures shown on the inflation tables for the loading on the tires. greg i had 2 new front tires put on my dually last week. i took it discount tires. when they input my truck 2005 3500 dually hd and which tire i had general it spit out the tire pressures for a loaded and unloaded truck. pretty cool. loaded mine was 80 pounds rear on all 4 tires and 65 front. unloaded 50 to 65 pounds rear and 50 to 65 front. so i assume you would adjust them for the type of ride you want. i run mine 55 front and 65 rear when not pulling my 14.5k 5th wheeler. when towing i run all of them maxed out. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .
From : tbone
this is incorrect which is not surpizing consideing the source. normally i wouldnt reply to your repeated drivel. however this drivel can get someone killed. who are you kidding you reply to his at just about every opportunity and now you are using the budd fear tactics as well lol! tires show max pressure and max load and the door sticker is supposed to show recommended pressure for projected loads on axles because tire capacity is related to its pressure. tire sidewalls show recommended pressure and the load that the tire can carry at the recommended pressure. really max i have yet to see a chart on the side wall of any of my truck tires. i do however see a max pressure and a max load rating. these however are not recommendations they are maximum limits. if you want proof that a problem can be had by underinflating tires please see ford motor company and firestone for the results. numerous lawsuits brought on by death and injury caused by tire failure are on the books for anyone to see. http//archives.cnn.com/2000/us/08/21/tiredeaths.pressure.ap/index.html what point exactly are you trying to make ford recomended a lowered tire pressure to prevent rollovers and it worked. the rest of it amountd to nothing more than lawsuits and bogus accusations about the reason for some defective tire failures. even in this article there is no proof that the lowered pressure had anything to do with it and it went on further to mention that goodyear installed 500000 tires on those vehicles at that pressure with no failures. ill repeat for those who are hard of understanding use the sidewall rating when selecting a pressure for your tire. while this may be valid advice for a car tire it is complete bs for a lt tire. higher pressure will improve mpg a bit but nothing is gained running much past 60 psi unless your actual load requires you to run more than that pressure. if the tires are not rated for 60 psi you can have catastrophic results by inflating to 60 psi. if the tires are rated at over 60psi it is possible to overheat the sidewalls causing catastophic results. where did he or anyone else say to go beyond the maximum rating on the side of the tire or is this just another one of your distortions he was talking about an lt tire which many of them if not most have maximum ratings above 60 psi. again use the tire sidewall as the source for psi rating for the tires you are running. wrong answer. the tire sidewall is a source of maximum pressure and capacity for the specific tire not the only pressure the tire can be used at. in the old days they used to include tire pressure/capacity charts/tables in owners manuals so you new were to set pressure at if you wanted to but today that info is kinda scarce at times. the reason is kinda scarce is because not all vehicles have the samt exact tires on them as they left the factory with. if i were to inflate the tires on my 2000 ram2500 to anything over 44psi id be over the spec for the tire. however the factory tires were able to handle 65psi iirc. lol the chart is there for a reason max. it is there because there could be huge load differences form one day to the next and if you think that one tire pressure the max is valid for the full load range then you really need to do some reading on the subject. again check the sidewall before doing something that could result in injury or death. at least this statement is valid despite what you actually meant. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : max dodge
ahh yes another bullshit reply from tbone. my door label has no chart and notes that the front tires should be at 65psi and the rears at 80psi. my tire sidewall says itll handle 3300 lbs at 44psi. so in your obviously professional know more than max does opinion at what pressure do you feel i should keep my tires think carefully.....youll need a way to spin your way out of the obvious correct answer...... -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this is incorrect which is not surpizing consideing the source. normally i wouldnt reply to your repeated drivel. however this drivel can get someone killed. who are you kidding you reply to his at just about every opportunity and now you are using the budd fear tactics as well lol! tires show max pressure and max load and the door sticker is supposed to show recommended pressure for projected loads on axles because tire capacity is related to its pressure. tire sidewalls show recommended pressure and the load that the tire can carry at the recommended pressure. really max i have yet to see a chart on the side wall of any of my truck tires. i do however see a max pressure and a max load rating. these however are not recommendations they are maximum limits. if you want proof that a problem can be had by underinflating tires please see ford motor company and firestone for the results. numerous lawsuits brought on by death and injury caused by tire failure are on the books for anyone to see. http//archives.cnn.com/2000/us/08/21/tiredeaths.pressure.ap/index.html what point exactly are you trying to make ford recomended a lowered tire pressure to prevent rollovers and it worked. the rest of it amountd to nothing more than lawsuits and bogus accusations about the reason for some defective tire failures. even in this article there is no proof that the lowered pressure had anything to do with it and it went on further to mention that goodyear installed 500000 tires on those vehicles at that pressure with no failures. ill repeat for those who are hard of understanding use the sidewall rating when selecting a pressure for your tire. while this may be valid advice for a car tire it is complete bs for a lt tire. higher pressure will improve mpg a bit but nothing is gained running much past 60 psi unless your actual load requires you to run more than that pressure. if the tires are not rated for 60 psi you can have catastrophic results by inflating to 60 psi. if the tires are rated at over 60psi it is possible to overheat the sidewalls causing catastophic results. where did he or anyone else say to go beyond the maximum rating on the side of the tire or is this just another one of your distortions he was talking about an lt tire which many of them if not most have maximum ratings above 60 psi. again use the tire sidewall as the source for psi rating for the tires you are running. wrong answer. the tire sidewall is a source of maximum pressure and capacity for the specific tire not the only pressure the tire can be used at. in the old days they used to include tire pressure/capacity charts/tables in owners manuals so you new were to set pressure at if you wanted to but today that info is kinda scarce at times. the reason is kinda scarce is because not all vehicles have the samt exact tires on them as they left the factory with. if i were to inflate the tires on my 2000 ram2500 to anything over 44psi id be over the spec for the tire. however the factory tires were able to handle 65psi iirc. lol the chart is there for a reason max. it is there because there could be huge load differences form one day to the next and if you think that one tire pressure the max is valid for the full load range then you really need to do some reading on the subject. again check the sidewall before doing something that could result in injury or death. at least this statement is valid despite what you actually meant. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : kvand
justin for what its worth my 06 says to inflate the rear to 40psi and the front to 50psi when not loaded. when loaded it says rear at 70 and front to 60 psi. the tires are load range e with max inflation to 80 psi. kevin .
From : snoman
on sat 05 aug 2006 083400 -0500 justinw nopenoaddress@here.com wrote the doorplate on my truck says to fill the tires to 65 psi front and 80 psi rear. are those pressures ok for tire wear if the truck is being driven with no load if not how would i determine the correct tire pressure to create an uniform tire footprint for even tire wear i would leave front at 65 psi because it is pretty heavy up there a lot heavier than rear is with no load in rear you can safely drop back to 50 or 55 psi with no load in it. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .
From : max dodge
justin while the door plate is fine for the factory installed tires always use the data cast into the rubber on the tire sidewall as the definitive answer to pressure questions. the pressure it notes is the pressure at which the tires should be run for maximum efficiency of fuel and wear. you can trade some of that wear life and fuel efficiency for comfort of ride by lowering the pressure but that is exactly what it is.. a trade. there is no other proper pressure to run tires than the one listed on the sidewall. you can experiment but each tire and each truck and each driver will have different results. thus take any info other than the specified pressure on the tire as opinion rather than proven fact. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author the doorplate on my truck says to fill the tires to 65 psi front and 80 psi rear. are those pressures ok for tire wear if the truck is being driven with no load if not how would i determine the correct tire pressure to create an uniform tire footprint for even tire wear .
From : snoman
on sat 05 aug 2006 155921 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote justin while the door plate is fine for the factory installed tires always use the data cast into the rubber on the tire sidewall as the definitive answer to pressure questions. this is incorrect which is not surpizing consideing the source. the tires show max pressure and max load and the door sticker is supposed to show recommended pressure for projected loads on axles because tire capacity is related to its pressure. higher pressure will improve mpg a bit but nothing is gained running much past 60 psi unless your actual load requires you to run more than that pressure. in the old days they used to include tire pressure/capacity charts/tables in owners manuals so you new were to set pressure at if you wanted to but today that info is kinda scarce at times. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .
From : max dodge
this is incorrect which is not surpizing consideing the source. normally i wouldnt reply to your repeated drivel. however this drivel can get someone killed. tires show max pressure and max load and the door sticker is supposed to show recommended pressure for projected loads on axles because tire capacity is related to its pressure. tire sidewalls show recommended pressure and the load that the tire can carry at the recommended pressure. if you want proof that a problem can be had by underinflating tires please see ford motor company and firestone for the results. numerous lawsuits brought on by death and injury caused by tire failure are on the books for anyone to see. http//archives.cnn.com/2000/us/08/21/tiredeaths.pressure.ap/index.html ill repeat for those who are hard of understanding use the sidewall rating when selecting a pressure for your tire. higher pressure will improve mpg a bit but nothing is gained running much past 60 psi unless your actual load requires you to run more than that pressure. if the tires are not rated for 60 psi you can have catastrophic results by inflating to 60 psi. if the tires are rated at over 60psi it is possible to overheat the sidewalls causing catastophic results. again use the tire sidewall as the source for psi rating for the tires you are running. in the old days they used to include tire pressure/capacity charts/tables in owners manuals so you new were to set pressure at if you wanted to but today that info is kinda scarce at times. the reason is kinda scarce is because not all vehicles have the samt exact tires on them as they left the factory with. if i were to inflate the tires on my 2000 ram2500 to anything over 44psi id be over the spec for the tire. however the factory tires were able to handle 65psi iirc. again check the sidewall before doing something that could result in injury or death. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on sat 05 aug 2006 155921 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote justin while the door plate is fine for the factory installed tires always use the data cast into the rubber on the tire sidewall as the definitive answer to pressure questions. this is incorrect which is not surpizing consideing the source. the tires show max pressure and max load and the door sticker is supposed to show recommended pressure for projected loads on axles because tire capacity is related to its pressure. higher pressure will improve mpg a bit but nothing is gained running much past 60 psi unless your actual load requires you to run more than that pressure. in the old days they used to include tire pressure/capacity charts/tables in owners manuals so you new were to set pressure at if you wanted to but today that info is kinda scarce at times. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .
From : Annonymous
on sat 05 aug 2006 224249 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote this is incorrect which is not surpizing consideing the source. normally i wouldnt reply to your repeated drivel. however this drivel can get someone killed. tires show max pressure and max load and the door sticker is supposed to show recommended pressure for projected loads on axles because tire capacity is related to its pressure. tire sidewalls show recommended pressure and the load that the tire can carry at the recommended pressure. if you want proof that a problem can be had by underinflating tires please see ford motor company and firestone for the results. numerous lawsuits brought on by death and injury caused by tire failure are on the books for anyone to see. http//archives.cnn.com/2000/us/08/21/tiredeaths.pressure.ap/index.html ill repeat for those who are hard of understanding use the sidewall rating when selecting a pressure for your tire. i went to my tire shop and asked them. the shop is a nationally known one. they are very strict with their guidlines they follow the rules all the way. they have to the liability is too huge. i asked them. they said use the sidewall rating when selecting a pressure for your tire. no question no controversy. use the sidewall rating. higher pressure will improve mpg a bit but nothing is gained running much past 60 psi unless your actual load requires you to run more than that pressure. if the tires are not rated for 60 psi you can have catastrophic results by inflating to 60 psi. if the tires are rated at over 60psi it is possible to overheat the sidewalls causing catastophic results. again use the tire sidewall as the source for psi rating for the tires you are running. in the old days they used to include tire pressure/capacity charts/tables in owners manuals so you new were to set pressure at if you wanted to but today that info is kinda scarce at times. the reason is kinda scarce is because not all vehicles have the samt exact tires on them as they left the factory with. if i were to inflate the tires on my 2000 ram2500 to anything over 44psi id be over the spec for the tire. however the factory tires were able to handle 65psi iirc. again check the sidewall before doing something that could result in injury or death. .
From : js
max dodge wrote justin while the door plate is fine for the factory installed tires always use the data cast into the rubber on the tire sidewall as the definitive answer to pressure questions. the pressure it notes is the pressure at which the tires should be run for maximum efficiency of fuel and wear. you can trade some of that wear life and fuel efficiency for comfort of ride by lowering the pressure but that is exactly what it is.. a trade. there is no other proper pressure to run tires than the one listed on the sidewall. you can experiment but each tire and each truck and each driver will have different results. thus take any info other than the specified pressure on the tire as opinion rather than proven fact. then why exactly do decent tire manufacturers offer documentation with suggested pressures for given loading operation speed and ambient temperature check out michelin or bf goodrichs websites sometime. theyve got a lot of documentation online. with radial tires overinflating-for-the-actual-load actually decreases fuel economy. also you generally get funny tire wear center wear and the reduced initial contact patch can be a very dangerous situation... js .
From : js
theguy@whatever.net wrote on sat 05 aug 2006 224249 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote this is incorrect which is not surpizing consideing the source. normally i wouldnt reply to your repeated drivel. however this drivel can get someone killed. tires show max pressure and max load and the door sticker is supposed to show recommended pressure for projected loads on axles because tire capacity is related to its pressure. tire sidewalls show recommended pressure and the load that the tire can carry at the recommended pressure. if you want proof that a problem can be had by underinflating tires please see ford motor company and firestone for the results. numerous lawsuits brought on by death and injury caused by tire failure are on the books for anyone to see. http//archives.cnn.com/2000/us/08/21/tiredeaths.pressure.ap/index.html ill repeat for those who are hard of understanding use the sidewall rating when selecting a pressure for your tire. i went to my tire shop and asked them. the shop is a nationally known one. they are very strict with their guidlines they follow the rules all the way. they have to the liability is too huge. i asked them. they said use the sidewall rating when selecting a pressure for your tire. no question no controversy. use the sidewall rating. heres an example why this advice is absolute idiocy... ex-gf had a 95 chevy crapalier coupe had badyear vivas on it from the factory. sidewalls said *44 psi* on them. having always heard the advice youre spewing here i actually pumped them all up to that level. drove *really* funny very busy... got on the brakes a little bit for a yellow-light-going-red on the way back to the house and the abs kicked in - on dry pavement. hmm. must be the cheap tires. took it back to her to drive. so a few days later i notice theres a suggested pressure on the door sticker thats something like 30 psi or somesuch. set it down to that handed my girlfriend the keys and told her to drive it like she was late for class. 5 minutes later she returns and the damned sidewalls are scored halfway up but damn she had a smile on her face. i pushed them back up to 35 psi and it drove fine and the tires wore evenly after that. on my 92 explorer xlt i almost always ran 32 psi. it drove best that way. you could barely go around a curve in the road without the tires squeeling at the sticker-suggested 26 psi but the sidewall 36 psi was *waaay* too high. oh... and i ran 120 psi on my schwinn 10-speed.. 27x1.25 tires... tire sidewall rating was either 130 or 150 psi but 120 is all my old compressor could work itself up to. 120 psi was enough to break all the neighborhood posted speed limits and have the ability to coast *forever* after hitting top speed. js .
From : max dodge
then why exactly do decent tire manufacturers offer documentation with suggested pressures for given loading operation speed and ambient temperature ever check to see what the manufacturer suggested pressures are are they the same as the door pillar tag which pressure recommendation is readily found while on the road what pressure would keep the tire in its designed profile and flexibility design door pillar or sidewall what tire pressure will keep a tire from excessive sidewall flex check out michelin or bf goodrichs websites sometime. theyve got a lot of documentation online. congrats! now which info is on the sidewall of the tire the stuff bfg and michelin publish or the door pillar specs with radial tires overinflating-for-the-actual-load actually decreases fuel economy. pure bullshit. proper inflation via the info on the sidewall i run 2 lbs less due to variation in guage temp air temp and tire temp to keep it just under spec will keep the tire at its proper contact patch with the road surface while keeping sidewall flex at a minimum thus lowering rolling resistance. also you generally get funny tire wear center wear center wear is an indication of overinflation of the tire under any conditions. a tire inflated to the spec on the sidewall will have proper profile and contact and will wear evenly. and the reduced initial contact patch can be a very dangerous situation... as could the contact patch of an underinflated tire seen here in the second drawing. http//www.procarcare.com/includes/content/resourcecenter/encyclopedia/ch25/25readtirewear.html as you can see the tire also loses contact patch when under inflated. again use the info on the tire sidewall for inflation pressures. ex-gf had a 95 chevy crapalier coupe had badyear vivas on it from the factory. sidewalls said *44 psi* on them. having always heard the advice youre spewing here i actually pumped them all up to that level. drove *really* funny very busy... got on the brakes a little bit for a yellow-light-going-red on the way back to the house and the abs kicked in - on dry pavement. hmm. must be the cheap tires. took it back to her to drive. goodyear viva tires are manufactured exclusively for wal-mart so yeah it was the cheap tires. furthermore its very hard to believe that a tire designed for use on a typical passenger car had a pressure rating of 44psi since thats well over the norm. they also are guaranteed for 80000 miles not exactly a tire that grabs the pavement very well. this guy found them to be terrible tires and replaced them after 2000 miles. http//www.tirerack.com/survey/surveycomments.jspadditionalcomments=y&tiremake=michelin&tiremodel=energy+mxv4+plus&commentstatus=p so a few days later i notice theres a suggested pressure on the door sticker thats something like 30 psi or somesuch. set it down to that handed my girlfriend the keys and told her to drive it like she was late for class. 5 minutes later she returns and the damned sidewalls are scored halfway up but damn she had a smile on her face. i pushed them back up to 35 psi and it drove fine and the tires wore evenly after that. wonder of wonders...... maybe you misread the sidewall and it was 34 psi like most passenger car tires without a speed rating on my 92 explorer xlt i almost always ran 32 psi. it drove best that way. you could barely go around a curve in the road without the tires squeeling at the sticker-suggested 26 psi but the sidewall 36 psi was *waaay* too high. a ford exploder is automatically dqed as a test vehicle because of well publicized problems in the ratings on the tire and the vehicle. according to easily found data ford was incorrect at 26psi on the door and firestone claimed that anything over 30psi would work after they dropped the claim that 36psi was proper in light of losing money after ford and firestone had a huge falling out and $$ started flashing. oh... and i ran 120 psi on my schwinn 10-speed.. 27x1.25 tires... tire sidewall rating was either 130 or 150 psi but 120 is all my old compressor could work itself up to. 120 psi was enough to break all the neighborhood posted speed limits and have the ability to coast *forever* after hitting top speed. which is irrelevant given the drastic differences in the type of tire and the vehicle. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max dodge wrote justin while the door plate is fine for the factory installed tires always use the data cast into the rubber on the tire sidewall as the definitive answer to pressure questions. the pressure it notes is the pressure at which the tires should be run for maximum efficiency of fuel and wear. you can trade some of that wear life and fuel efficiency for comfort of ride by lowering the pressure but that is exactly wha
From : tbone
tbone wrote what point exactly are you trying to make ford recomended a lowered tire pressure to prevent rollovers and it worked. really now they didnt lower the pressure to prevent rollovers. they did so to improve ride quality. once again miles jumps into the thread in an attempt to prove me wrong slips in his own bullshit and lands flat on his face lol! did you even read the article that i was summarizing miles http//archives.cnn.com/2000/us/08/21/tiredeaths.pressure.ap/index.html now i know that reading comprehension is not your thing but try re-reading the forth and especially the sixth paragraph. you should be done here but if you wish to further entertain us feel free to reply. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : miles
tbone wrote once again miles jumps into the thread in an attempt to prove me wrong slips in his own bullshit and lands flat on his face lol! did you even read the article that i was summarizing miles now go read the full congressional report especially the first 2 of the 3 rounds. read fords testimony. the documents you mention raised questions about fords position during testimony that accidents involving the explorer and firestone tires arent related to fords recommended tire pressure for the explorer. fords own testimony is in contradiction to your statements tbone. try not to base your baseless comments one what you read on the net. read the congressional testimony as to exactly what ford said. .
From : tbone
ahh yes another bullshit reply from tbone. ahh yes the typical max response when once again being proven wrong. my door label has no chart and notes that the front tires should be at 65psi and the rears at 80psi. mine has that same bogus sticker and it lists the wrong size tires for the truck as well but the truck also came with a tire inflation pressures pamphlet that the owners manual specifically refers to. and on the back page it has a few chart showing how much load the tires can handle with pressures from 30 to 80 psi in 5 pound increments for all of the tires that the truck comes with. gee max that is 12 different pressures. now not all of the tires have values for all of the pressures on the chart as some pressures are either too high or too low for a given tire size but most of them have at least 6 entries. i guess that always filling them to the max is not the only or correct way to go. my tire sidewall says itll handle 3300 lbs at 44psi. well according to your absurd logic you put the wrong size tires on your truck and that could lead to you getting killed. so in your obviously professional know more than max does opinion at what pressure do you feel i should keep my tires i dont know what size and type are the tires how much of a load do you have on them and at what speed do you do most of your driving just because they hava a max pressure of 44psi it doesnt mean that they must always be filled to that level and in some cases they actually may need to be filled to up to 10psi above the pressure rating on the side wall lt tires only and this is directly from the tire inflation pamphlet that came with my truck. think carefully.....youll need a way to spin your way out of the obvious correct answer...... i dont need to spin my way out of anything max. you have just proven once again that you dont know half as much as you think you do. http//www.goodyeartires.com/faqs/inflation.html this is directly from goodyear and all you need to do is read the second and third sentence. i think that i will take the word of a manufacturer over yours no offence intended. btw i see in a recent post from moparman that the new low sulfur diesel is just now coming out. i guess that you were wrong about that one as well mr. i have been using it for years. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbone
gee miles since as usual you fail to back up anything i think that i will take what cnn said over you and as i said before reading comprehension is not your strong point. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote once again miles jumps into the thread in an attempt to prove me wrong slips in his own bullshit and lands flat on his face lol! did you even read the article that i was summarizing miles now go read the full congressional report especially the first 2 of the 3 rounds. read fords testimony. the documents you mention raised questions about fords position during testimony that accidents involving the explorer and firestone tires arent related to fords recommended tire pressure for the explorer. fords own testimony is in contradiction to your statements tbone. try not to base your baseless comments one what you read on the net. read the congressional testimony as to exactly what ford said. .
From : miles
tbone wrote gee miles since as usual you fail to back up anything i think that i will take what cnn said over you and as i said before reading comprehension is not your strong point. lol cnn huh i think id rather take fords own testimony during the congressional hearings over what cnn or you say. the trouble with you isnt reading. its the fact you take what you first read as fact and feel no need to ever do any research into the matter. typical far lefty. just read headlines that fits your needs. .
From : max dodge
this is directly from goodyear and all you need to do is read the second and third sentence. i think that i will take the word of a manufacturer over yours no offence intended. none taken. you have just proven my point. go back and read what i said in my initial reply. i specifically stated that the tire sidewall took precedence over the tag on the door pillar. moreover i specifically stated that any deviation from the sideway for the sake of comfort or load handling would result in a compromise that detracted from wear and ride. but ultimately safety takes first billing and that is derived from the sidewall rating of the tire. since you have specifically stated that the tire manufacturer is to be the final source of info that means the best info on the truck is the sidewall of the tire as i stated in my initial reply. have a nice day. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ahh yes another bullshit reply from tbone. ahh yes the typical max response when once again being proven wrong. my door label has no chart and notes that the front tires should be at 65psi and the rears at 80psi. mine has that same bogus sticker and it lists the wrong size tires for the truck as well but the truck also came with a tire inflation pressures pamphlet that the owners manual specifically refers to. and on the back page it has a few chart showing how much load the tires can handle with pressures from 30 to 80 psi in 5 pound increments for all of the tires that the truck comes with. gee max that is 12 different pressures. now not all of the tires have values for all of the pressures on the chart as some pressures are either too high or too low for a given tire size but most of them have at least 6 entries. i guess that always filling them to the max is not the only or correct way to go. my tire sidewall says itll handle 3300 lbs at 44psi. well according to your absurd logic you put the wrong size tires on your truck and that could lead to you getting killed. so in your obviously professional know more than max does opinion at what pressure do you feel i should keep my tires i dont know what size and type are the tires how much of a load do you have on them and at what speed do you do most of your driving just because they hava a max pressure of 44psi it doesnt mean that they must always be filled to that level and in some cases they actually may need to be filled to up to 10psi above the pressure rating on the side wall lt tires only and this is directly from the tire inflation pamphlet that came with my truck. think carefully.....youll need a way to spin your way out of the obvious correct answer...... i dont need to spin my way out of anything max. you have just proven once again that you dont know half as much as you think you do. http//www.goodyeartires.com/faqs/inflation.html this is directly from goodyear and all you need to do is read the second and third sentence. i think that i will take the word of a manufacturer over yours no offence intended. btw i see in a recent post from moparman that the new low sulfur diesel is just now coming out. i guess that you were wrong about that one as well mr. i have been using it for years. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbone
this is directly from goodyear and all you need to do is read the second and third sentence. i think that i will take the word of a manufacturer over yours no offence intended. none taken. you have just proven my point. go back and read what i said in my initial reply. i specifically stated that the tire sidewall took precedence over the tag on the door pillar. and goodyear says you are wrong. read sentence 4. moreover i specifically stated that any deviation from the sideway for the sake of comfort or load handling would result in a compromise that detracted from wear and ride. and once again goodyear says you are wrong and so does the tire inflation pamphlet that came with your truck. but ultimately safety takes first billing and that is derived from the sidewall rating of the tire. where did you come up with this the sidewall simply states the maximums the tire is rated for so unless you are always at the or near the maximum load capacity of the tire keeping it at the maximum pressure does not increase safety and as shown by the very article that you posted can actually be dangerous. since you have specifically stated that the tire manufacturer is to be the final source of info that means the best info on the truck is the sidewall of the tire as i stated in my initial reply. lol i really feel sorry for you max. have a nice day. you too. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbone
tbone wrote gee miles since as usual you fail to back up anything i think that i will take what cnn said over you and as i said before reading comprehension is not your strong point. lol cnn huh i think id rather take fords own testimony during the congressional hearings over what cnn or you say. lol sure miles. the problem is that your reading comprehension is not at 100% with your extreme right wing bias clouding it all of the time but hey post a link and prove me wrong. the trouble with you isnt reading. its the fact you take what you first read as fact and feel no need to ever do any research into the matter. typical far lefty. just read headlines that fits your needs. back to silly accusations i see how typical. the point is miles i simply summarized the article that max posted and asked him how it backed his point. you then jumped in with some crap that ford reduced air pressure significantly for ride quality and that it had nothing to do with rollovers when ride quality was not even directly mentioned in the article he posted. as for who you choose to believe lets look at that. you choose to believe a statement made by ford when it was in their best interest for them to mislead or even outright lie instead of cnn who would gain nothing by lying and hurt their hard won reputation doing so. believe whoever you want but i will stick with the safer bet but then again you havent even backed up what you claim ford said. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : max dodge
where did you come up with this the sidewall simply states the maximums the tire is rated for so unless you are always at the or near the maximum load capacity of the tire keeping it at the maximum pressure does not increase safety and as shown by the very article that you posted can actually be dangerous. well tom its a simple case of reading the sidewall. i told you what pressures the sticker recommended and you also noted that the tire size was incorrect on the sticker. thus the sticker is irrelevant in regard to my tires. my tires are 265/75 the sticker rates 245/75. the sticker notes maximum pressures of 65 and 80 psi. my sidewall calls for a maximum of 44psi. if i follow your advice my tires explode. my tires are the same size as factory and are a load range above what the factory installed. sorry tom but you are wrong. done here. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this is directly from goodyear and all you need to do is read the second and third sentence. i think that i will take the word of a manufacturer over yours no offence intended. none taken. you have just proven my point. go back and read what i said in my initial reply. i specifically stated that the tire sidewall took precedence over the tag on the door pillar. and goodyear says you are wrong. read sentence 4. moreover i specifically stated that any deviation from the sideway for the sake of comfort or load handling would result in a compromise that detracted from wear and ride. and once again goodyear says you are wrong and so does the tire inflation pamphlet that came with your truck. but ultimately safety takes first billing and that is derived from the sidewall rating of the tire. where did you come up with this the sidewall simply states the maximums the tire is rated for so unless you are always at the or near the maximum load capacity of the tire keeping it at the maximum pressure does not increase safety and as shown by the very article that you posted can actually be dangerous. since you have specifically stated that the tire manufacturer is to be the final source of info that means the best info on the truck is the sidewall of the tire as i stated in my initial reply. lol i really feel sorry for you max. have a nice day. you too. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : miles
tbone wrote lol sure miles. the problem is that your reading comprehension is not at 100% with your extreme right wing bias clouding it all of the time but hey post a link and prove me wrong. hmm...well now tbone you never read the congressional testimony of ford so i guess thats how you avoid your own lack of reading comprehension. just dont read it at all! how do i know you didnt read it because if you did you wouldnt be whining right now. as for who you choose to believe lets look at that. you choose to believe a statement made by ford when it was in their best interest for them to mislead or even outright lie instead of cnn who would gain nothing by lying and hurt their hard won reputation doing so. believe whoever you want but i will stick with the safer bet but then again you havent even backed up what you claim ford said. you made a statement as to why ford reduced pressure as stated by cnn. the problem is that this is what cnn stated not what ford stated under oath at the congressional hearing. was cnn under oath did ford get charged with perjury the answer is no to both. again you simply read headline stories that agree with your bias and run with it. no need to read the actual case at hand when the biased media can interpret it for you. .
From : tbone
admin@snoman.com says... whats your thought on a flex fuel dakota then dodge has announced that the 4.7l engine will be offered in flex fuel for the 07 dakota. i want a diesel but if i cant have one then i dont want to continue to support the ragheads. what makes you think that owning a diesel will not be supporting the ragheads are you some king of racist what exactly is a raghead you get loopier all the time snoidiot. -- i am such a stinky fat matter - why bother the odiferous fat matter .
From : tbone
tbone wrote lol sure miles. the problem is that your reading comprehension is not at 100% with your extreme right wing bias clouding it all of the time but hey post a link and prove me wrong. hmm...well now tbone you never read the congressional testimony of ford so i guess thats how you avoid your own lack of reading comprehension. just dont read it at all! how do i know you didnt read it because if you did you wouldnt be whining right now. im not the one whining miles that would be you. there is a difference between reading a testimony and understanding it which you have failed to do and as i see once again you are unable to back up what you say. at least you are consistent. unfortunately it is consistently wrong. as for who you choose to believe lets look at that. you choose to believe a statement made by ford when it was in their best interest for them to mislead or even outright lie instead of cnn who would gain nothing by lying and hurt their hard won reputation doing so. believe whoever you want but i will stick with the safer bet but then again you havent even backed up what you claim ford said. you made a statement as to why ford reduced pressure as stated by cnn. no i summarized the article posted by max. the problem is that this is what cnn stated not what ford stated under oath at the congressional hearing. oh yea nobody under oath has ever lied or not given the complete truth lol!!! was cnn under oath nope and why would they be and what possible reason would they have to lie ford had hundreds of millions of reasons to lie or at least hide the truth. i guess it would have done wonders for their sales to admit that they designed a disaster of a vehicle that even fully inflating its tires puts you at significant risk. get real miles. did ford get charged with perjury lol nope and how many convicted criminals have been convicted of perjury purgery is just about impossible to prove and is seldom prosecuted. once again your lame spin fails. the answer is no to both. again you simply read headline stories that agree with your bias and run with it. more complete crap and you should be the last one to talk about bias. no need to read the actual case at hand when the biased media can interpret it for you. like i said your reading comprehension is severely limited. the biased media as you call it did not interpret fords testimony they reported on internal documents and test results that had nothing to do with the congressional testimony. face it miles you are as usual wrong again but feel free to continue to respond and make a fool out of yourself. i will wait for that link that is never going to come. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbone
the sticker has nothing at all to do with the discussion or the point being made. sorry tom it was the center of the discussion and was part of the original question. it appears you have failed to read once again. sorry max but wrong again. the center of the discussion was varying tire pressure due to the load put on them and that running max pressure for the tire all the time is not always the best thing. you were the one who jumped in with a budd style fear of death reply stating that the tire must always be inflated to the max pressure printed on the sidewall or the tire could fail and someone could be killed. this is of course complete bullshit because if it were true your truck would not have come with that inflation pamphlet showing varying pressures for different loads. you then accuse snowball of telling people to over inflate the tire with no regard to the sidewall maximum which he never did. i guess that was just some desperate spin. btw max i thought that you were done. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbone
where did you come up with this the sidewall simply states the maximums the tire is rated for so unless you are always at the or near the maximum load capacity of the tire keeping it at the maximum pressure does not increase safety and as shown by the very article that you posted can actually be dangerous. well tom its a simple case of reading the sidewall. i told you what pressures the sticker recommended and you also noted that the tire size was incorrect on the sticker. thus the sticker is irrelevant in regard to my tires. the sticker has nothing at all to do with the discussion or the point being made. my tires are 265/75 the sticker rates 245/75. the sticker notes maximum pressures of 65 and 80 psi. my sidewall calls for a maximum of 44psi. big deal that still doesnt mean that the maximum pressure printed on the side wall is the only pressure the tire can or even should be used at only a maximum. if i follow your advice my tires explode. really show me exactly where i said to ignore the tires rated maximum and go blindly by the sticker on the pillar. my tires are the same size as factory and are a load range above what the factory installed. and they can only handle 44 psi what is the load range and who makes them sorry tom but you are wrong. just because you say it doesnt make it so even if you really want it to be true. the article you posted goodyear and the pamphlet that came with your truck says that you are the one who is wrong even if you are completely unable to admit it. done here. you have been done for a while now max. have a nice day. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : max dodge
the sticker has nothing at all to do with the discussion or the point being made. sorry tom it was the center of the discussion and was part of the original question. it appears you have failed to read once again. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author where did you come up with this the sidewall simply states the maximums the tire is rated for so unless you are always at the or near the maximum load capacity of the tire keeping it at the maximum pressure does not increase safety and as shown by the very article that you posted can actually be dangerous. well tom its a simple case of reading the sidewall. i told you what pressures the sticker recommended and you also noted that the tire size was incorrect on the sticker. thus the sticker is irrelevant in regard to my tires. the sticker has nothing at all to do with the discussion or the point being made. my tires are 265/75 the sticker rates 245/75. the sticker notes maximum pressures of 65 and 80 psi. my sidewall calls for a maximum of 44psi. big deal that still doesnt mean that the maximum pressure printed on the side wall is the only pressure the tire can or even should be used at only a maximum. if i follow your advice my tires explode. really show me exactly where i said to ignore the tires rated maximum and go blindly by the sticker on the pillar. my tires are the same size as factory and are a load range above what the factory installed. and they can only handle 44 psi what is the load range and who makes them sorry tom but you are wrong. just because you say it doesnt make it so even if you really want it to be true. the article you posted goodyear and the pamphlet that came with your truck says that you are the one who is wrong even if you are completely unable to admit it. done here. you have been done for a while now max. have a nice day. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : miles
tbone wrote tbone wrote im not the one whining miles that would be you. there is a difference between reading a testimony and understanding it which you have failed to do and as i see once again you are unable to back up what you say. at least you are consistent. unfortunately it is consistently wrong. difference huh the difference is reading it or not reading it which would be the case with you. you are very consistent in only reading headline stories that suit your biased needs. youre not one to dig any further. research is not your forte. nope and why would they be and what possible reason would they have to lie are you for real the media doesnt lie they always tell the truth and just report a story huh oh geez. i knew you were gullible but now you just went and proved it. media doesnt lie oh man now thats some funny stuff right there. did ford get charged with perjury lol nope and how many convicted criminals have been convicted of perjury purgery is just about impossible to prove and is seldom prosecuted. once again your lame spin fails. not impossible with those documents cnn claimed to see....whoops they only saw them. they never could actually produce them and prove their origin when asked. like i said your reading comprehension is severely limited. the biased media as you call it did not interpret fords testimony they reported on internal documents and test results that had nothing to do with the congressional testimony. face it miles you are as usual wrong again but feel free to continue to respond and make a fool out of yourself. i will wait for that link that is never going to come. those documents were never produced for the congressional hearing. why werent they oh yes you always want a link so you do not have to actually do any research yourself. links exist that will say anything you want them to say. good grief. .
From : tbone
i installed a borgeson steering shaft this morning. the quality of the unit looks like top shelf. it was an easy install there was only one way the bottom splines would line up and there was only one way the top joint would line up. unfortunately my steering wheel is now 90 degrees off center. i did not read about or see any adjustment on the shaft itself. can my steering wheel be straightened with front end adjustments or have i just gotten a defective steering shaft .
From : tbone
yesterday i took my 05 dually in for its 30k service. i had received a recall for the transmission parking problem but decided to see if the dealer would say anything if i didnt. since they wont do shit to the vehicle until the run the vin i would assume that if a recall was out that it would show up in their system as needing the recall service. i guess i was wrong they never said anything about it and neither did i. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .
From : max dodge
sorry max but wrong again. the center of the discussion was varying tire pressure due to the load put on them and that running max pressure for the tire all the time is not always the best thing. wrong. here is the original post the doorplate on my truck says to fill the tires to 65 psi front and 80 psi rear. are those pressures ok for tire wear if the truck is being driven with no load if not how would i determine the correct tire pressure to create an uniform tire footprint for even tire wear obviously this is another case of tbonedonwannabeeleevheebeewrong. you were the one who jumped in with a budd style fear of death reply stating that the tire must always be inflated to the max pressure printed on the sidewall or the tire could fail and someone could be killed. wrong. here is what i said justin while the door plate is fine for the factory installed tires always use the data cast into the rubber on the tire sidewall as the definitive answer to pressure questions. the pressure it notes is the pressure at which the tires should be run for maximum efficiency of fuel and wear. you can trade some of that wear life and fuel efficiency for comfort of ride by lowering the pressure but that is exactly what it is.. a trade. there is no other proper pressure to run tires than the one listed on the sidewall. you can experiment but each tire and each truck and each driver will have different results. thus take any info other than the specified pressure on the tire as opinion rather than proven fact. as you can see there is no mention of death at all in my original reply. nor did i say that the pressure was to always be at the rating on the sidewall. btw max i thought that you were done. just straightening out your lies as usual. now run along and play with miles. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author the sticker has nothing at all to do with the discussion or the point being made. sorry tom it was the center of the discussion and was part of the original question. it appears you have failed to read once again. sorry max but wrong again. the center of the discussion was varying tire pressure due to the load put on them and that running max pressure for the tire all the time is not always the best thing. you were the one who jumped in with a budd style fear of death reply stating that the tire must always be inflated to the max pressure printed on the sidewall or the tire could fail and someone could be killed. this is of course complete bullshit because if it were true your truck would not have come with that inflation pamphlet showing varying pressures for different loads. you then accuse snowball of telling people to over inflate the tire with no regard to the sidewall maximum which he never did. i guess that was just some desperate spin. btw max i thought that you were done. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbone
on fri 11 aug 2006 210104 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote severely sniped for brevity there is no other proper pressure to run tires than the one listed on the sidewall. nor did i say that the pressure was to always be at the rating on the sidewall. not really any of my business to jump into your little squabble here but can you reconcile these two statements for us lol i would like that to be properly explained as well. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : dj
on fri 11 aug 2006 210104 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote severely sniped for brevity there is no other proper pressure to run tires than the one listed on the sidewall. nor did i say that the pressure was to always be at the rating on the sidewall. not really any of my business to jump into your little squabble here but can you reconcile these two statements for us miles. dj .
From : max dodge
i need to replace the front pads and rear shoes on my 4.7/01/4x4 durango. dealer says the rotors are supposed to be repalced as well - had them surfaced once and ive got no warpage that i notice while braking. im not unfamiliar with brakes - i just converted an old 52 m37 with discs - what im looking to determine is if there are any tricks to removing/repalcing the pads/rotors. also how do i determine if the rotors need repalcing up front. thanks. todd in placervile ca. .
From : miles
tbone wrote what point exactly are you trying to make ford recomended a lowered tire pressure to prevent rollovers and it worked. really now they didnt lower the pressure to prevent rollovers. they did so to improve ride quality. .