2004.5 CTD TSB's
From : big al
Q: ill agree on all but 1 point. mcknuckle ended the season last year. not the pats. fair enough. -- ken .
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From : christopher thompson
that is *not* entering the european theatre as you claimed. rubbish. entering any area where military operations are conducted whether for war or training is called a theatre. entering that area puts you in that theatre. in addition all of these events were part of the reason that there is a theory that fdr conspired to get us into the war. in order to continue sending supplies to england if not increase the amounts it has been supposed that fdr deliberately allowed pearl harbor to occur. pure speculation. no shit sherlock thats why its called a theory. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max dodge wrote fortunately when most of the u.s. was opposed to going to war in 1940 we decided to enter the european theatre regardless. that is simply not true. in fact even hollywood would be shamefaced to drift that far from reality. well alan i guess you forgot about lend lease destroyers the four stackers as they were called and the huge amounts of supplies and milatary hardware shipped to england from 1939 to 1941 prior to pearl harbor. further i guess you forgot the guys who died on patrol aboard the u.s.s. reuben james in the north atlantic while escorting a convoy. they died as a result of a torpedo attack on the ship with a loss of over 100 men on october 31st 1941. this was just the first of iirc four usn ships sunk prior to war being declared. that is *not* entering the european theatre as you claimed. in addition all of these events were part of the reason that there is a theory that fdr conspired to get us into the war. in order to continue sending supplies to england if not increase the amounts it has been supposed that fdr deliberately allowed pearl harbor to occur. pure speculation. graham .
From : steve lusardi
on sun 15 jan 2006 232842 -0500 christopher thompson kf4drr@alltel.net wrote yea we loved the truck and had not a minutes problem out of the engine. but we needed something a little bigger and more family friendly so we sold it and bought the 99 v10 what a differnce in mileage. you mean going from mpg to gpm *g* thats about the size of it....but it was fun = last ride to the dealer to trade the v10 in on the 05 ctd my brother in law rode with. floored it from rolling start @ 70 scared the sh*t out of him! lol mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : big al
that is a system i would love to hear. here is what i am running. jvc headunit/dvd player i have a 7.2 169 widescreen in the center console audiobahn pre-amp/eq/crossover planetaudio speakers in the front cv in the rear 2 10 mtx 6000 series subs all powered by a mtx 5 channel amp gut and replace is what i did in my qc. alpine head unit with soundtream amps x 5 all bridged mono 2 pairs of soundstream separates a pair of 8 sounstream subs 2 audio control crossovers. best system ive ever had. and dont scimp on your interconnects. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ice angels the biggest problem that most of the so called premium systems have especially the infinity is that even with the factory install amplifier they are under powered. an aftermarket head unit regardless of brand will make them sound a lot better. for the best results though you may want to consider either doing a complete system replacing everything or by passing the factory amps and installing a new though not huge aftermarket amp. joe wrote havent heard the alpine but the infinity in my 03 dak is awful. i have the infinity in my 01 ram that sounded horrible. i replaced the stock headunit with an alpine and it now sounds great. the speakers are decent but the headunit was awful. .
From : christopher thompson
i have a 97 ram and when iam going down the highway or long stretch of road i here a clicking/chirping coming from the engine only during acceleration and going over 40 mph when i let off the gas it goes away. any ideas thanks. .
From : tom lawrence
mike skellarnospam@gmail.com wrote in picked up my 2006 durango limited last thursday. i love it but the alpine sounds like crap compared to my 04 durangos infinity. anyone notice the same havent heard the alpine but the infinity in my 03 dak is awful. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies .
From : tom lawrence
i hear one landed out there in utah. beekeep .
From : jerry
on sun 15 jan 2006 232842 -0500 christopher thompson kf4drr@alltel.net wrote yea we loved the truck and had not a minutes problem out of the engine. but we needed something a little bigger and more family friendly so we sold it and bought the 99 v10 what a differnce in mileage. you mean going from mpg to gpm *g* mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : christopher thompson
alright tom you have got my curiosity up......triple squirters from the first 12v 6bts through the last of the vp44-injected 24v isbs there has always been a single injection event hydraulically-actuated pump puts high pressure on the fuel line overcoming the spring in the injector and the injector pops off spraying fuel through the nozzle. with the advent of electrically-actuated injectors it became possible to have multiple injection events per combustion cycle. starting with the hpcr engine in 03 there was a pilot injection event which squirted a miniscule amount of fuel to begin the combustion process followed by the main injection event which delivered a much greater by comparison amount of fuel. its this pilot injection that had the most dramatic effect on quieting the engine. instead of all the fuel arriving essentially at the same time and exploding a much smaller explosion happens during the pilot injection. now when the main injection event occurs its more of a burn rather than a bang. that reduced the classic clatter noise of the diesel significantly provided more power and is probably a little kinder to the engine as well. starting in 04.5 cummins added a post-injection event - which has something to do with cleaning up the emissions yeah - go figure - they make it cleaner by spraying more diesel and the way things interact with the catalytic converter etc. etc. i dont understand it and frankly i dont want to. theres great interest in a programmer that can turn off this third event as it does nothing for power production. there may be a solution coming in the next several weeks out of italy... time will tell. at any rate theres your triple squirt - pilot injection main injection and post injection. .
From : steve lusardi
i would take the money and look for some thing else to drive!!! damage trucks are just not the same.. my 1998 dodge ram 2500 was in a collision last month in which i was t-boned by a car that ran a red light. theres extensive damage and the frame is bent. the insurance company first said that the truck was repairable but the 2nd inspector said they were going to total it. i assumed they were going to give me the blue book value of around $8000 so i asked them to please repair it instead. they agreed but mentioned that they had valued the vehicle at just over $13k. the repair estimate is $9055 and that doesnt include possibly replacing the dash until they pull the frame they wont know if the dash will pop back. should i have it repaired or take the total value truck is a 1998 v10 quad cab with only 69k miles. ive also added a bed liner trailer brake controller and a removable gooseneck hitch. im concerned about pulling my horses with this truck. also i could get a newer truck with similar features for around $15k. does totalling a car affect my insurance rates any more than repairing it will repairing it affect the long-term value or reliability help! .
From : tom lawrence
im having a problem with my local dodge dealer. its tucson dodge if anyone is interested. called them and asked if there was a tsb on my truck about the fuel mileage. they asked for the vin number and i gave it to them. they said no tsbs on that truck. people keep telling me there is. so i called again same answer. someone on the mml emailed me a link to thishttp//dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/18-037-04.htm so i called the dealer back and asked why i was not told about this and had to do my own investigating to find it. they gave me the run around and im a tad upset about it. they actually told my this procedure may reduce the fuel mileage. how can i find out what the truth is and how can narrow down my searches to find tsbs for this truck and is this worth doing http//dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/18-004-04.htm al al this tsb you reference will do nothing to help your fuel economy so the dealer wasnt giving you the run around. it addresses exactly what it says it does. as a disinterested third party i would be happy to check for applicable tsbs and advise you accordingly. just email me with your vin and i will check for you . what kind of fuel economy are you experiencing city highway laden/unladen any mods to the truck different tire size than oem driving style tire pressures all of these can and do! impact your fuel economy. over the years the biggest factor ive found in poor fuel economy is the nut holding the steering wheel. ^ chryco service manager member sae sorry but here is what the tsb says http//dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/18-037-04.htm a.. improved fuel economy - a new ecm calibration has been developed which should provide customers an average fuel economy improvement of approximately 1 m.p.g. a.. reduces white exhaust smoke on cold start at temperatures below 50 deg. f 10 deg. c. a.. improves accuracy of the fuel economy calculation in the overhead console display. note the first line. my mileage is very good at low speeds. if i drive fast like 75 it goes way down. truck is completely stock has 3.73 gears and a six speed manual. here is why i think something is nuts. pulled a trailer and race car to northwest phoenix and drove the truck back completely empty. kept between 60 and 65 on the way up and about 75 on the way back. the trailer and race car have to weigh over 5000 pounds. got better mileage on the way up. and on the way up i took the wrong exit and got stuck in stop and go traffic for about 45 minutes. makes no sense to me. al shoot my 05 sounds like the same setup and gets simmular results. my responce keep her round 65 on the interstate. the rub is my friends two of them have 02s and they are both getting over 20 on the highway. one is automatic the other is stick. or they both are bsin me. al aha! now we are getting to the crux of the matter ^. as tom l. correctly pointed out your 2004.5 will never get the fuel economy of a 2002. the power output difference between the two engines is just too great. that power output diff has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is fuel economy. the emissions regs play a large role too. in an earlier post you indicated around 19 mpg around town in stl... that sounds about right. my 03 ho with 3.73 gets around 19 mpg with a combination city/highway driving. send me your correct vin and i will double check the tsbs for you tho just to be sure. mike .
From : big al
big al wrote my mileage is very good at low speeds. if i drive fast like 75 it goes way down. truck is completely stock has 3.73 gears and a six speed manual. here is why i think something is nuts. pulled a trailer and race car to northwest phoenix and drove the truck back completely empty. kept between 60 and 65 on the way up and about 75 on the way back. the trailer and race car have to weigh over 5000 pounds. got better mileage on the way up. and on the way up i took the wrong exit and got stuck in stop and go traffic for about 45 minutes. makes no sense to me. wind resistance........... next to high speed this will kill your millage. once had a slide in camper i hauled with my cummins. would get 18-19 all day long driving around town but as soon as i hit the freeway the mileage dropped to 13-14. .
From : big al
the rub is my friends two of them have 02s and they are both getting over 20 on the highway. one is automatic the other is stick. or they both are bsin me. nope theyre not. you need to understand that you have a different engine than they do. yes theyre very similar but with completely different fuel systems. is it so unreasonable to expect a drop in fuel economy when bumping the hp from 235 to 325 or the torque from 460 to 600 its a known fact that the 3rd gen engines are less fuel-efficient than previous 24v engines. and the 04.5 engines get worse mileage than 03 or 04 engines. this is all due to increased emissions standards and in the case of the 04.5 is directly attributable to the 3rd injection event. its also a known fact that the 2nd gen trucks are more aerodynamically efficient than the 3rd gen trucks which also accounts for the drop in fuel economy. since the trucks that have the cummins as an option arent subject to cafe regulations dc isnt as motivated to push their engine supplier for fuel efficiency. therefore cummins first priority on their engines is meeting emissions requirements - fuel economy is a secondary concern. its simply the way it is and doesnt mean anything is wrong with your particular truck. .
From : christopher thompson
here is more info. bought the truck new from royal gate dodge in st. louis. it came with a full tank of fuel. filled it myself and it was really full that first tank gave me an honest 19.6 mpg running around in st. louis and driving slow around 55 mph to chicago and back. then i drove it back to tucson. my mileage went to around 13.5 driving a steady 75. im going to go through all my fuel receipts and see how its really doing. my last two tanks was mostly city driving and i got right at 19 when i averaged them out. on the way to and from phoenix in the example i listed i was going by the overhead mpg indicator. it might not be accurate but since it was all in the same day the figures should be at least an indication of the difference. i reset it drove up there reset it and drove back. little over 125 miles each way was about 3 mpg better on the way up. the seat belt chime has also gone nuts and now the key in chime is intermittently nuts too. hope this is not indicative of a more serious problem. the truck is going in for the chime problem later this week. thanks for the help. al .
From : mike simmons
picked up my 2006 durango limited last thursday. i love it but the alpine sounds like crap compared to my 04 durangos infinity. anyone notice the same -- some people are like a slinky.....not really good for anything but you still cant help but smile when you shove them down the stairs. .
From : greg surratt
on sun 15 jan 2006 025645 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote on sat 14 jan 2006 183318 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote on sat 14 jan 2006 092213 +0100 steve lusardi stevenospam@lusardi.de wrote since i am the original poster of that reply 6 mos ago the argument was about a v6 design not an inline design and i am also a proud owner of an 04 ctd. of course that also excludes the slant six as well. on another note the slant six also had a nuch weaker bottom end in comparison to the gm and ford equivelents. 5 vs 7 main bearings this however was not an issue at stock power levels. as for not seeing inline engines as much as before i am afraid it is because of packaging restraints created by todays compact body styles. steve i think that the popularity of front wheel drive is a big factor in the development of the v-6 also.. kind of hard to mount an inline six sideways.. *g* it coulda fit in a pacer.... denny but not between the front wheels. the way they installed the 232 and 258 was miserable enough!!! and the 304 definitely not designed to be worked on! youre just pissed you couldnt get the valve cover off.... vbg i dont think i ever saw a 304 in one of them. denny it was to accomodate the 304 that the 78 and up pacers got the raised hood/square grille. the car was originally slated for a wankel. a dealer in the northern states was installing 401 hos in them along with the old gremlin. a wankel shoot i thought mazda was the only ones crazy enough to use that design! *grin* a 3-rotor wankel went 9.85 @ 133.41mph http//www.dragracecentral.com/drcstory.aspid=108082 they certainly have my respect! as for the pacer they sort-of became cool when waynes world was released. = imo its not the ugliest amc... the aware would have to go to the matador or gremlin. bryan oh they have my respect for the same reasons. but i also worked with the guys in the mazda shop for a while and they would not take a rx7 on a test drive without a fire extengisher. lol .
From : big al
says it does. as a disinterested third party i would be happy to check for applicable tsbs and advise you accordingly. just email me with your vin and i will check for you . what kind of fuel economy are you experiencing city highway laden/unladen any mods to the truck different tire size than oem driving style tire pressures all of these can and do! impact your fuel economy. over the years the biggest factor ive found in poor fuel economy is the nut holding the steering wheel. ^ chryco service manager member sae sorry but here is what the tsb says http//dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/18-037-04.htm a.. improved fuel economy - a new ecm calibration has been developed which should provide customers an average fuel economy improvement of approximately 1 m.p.g. a.. reduces white exhaust smoke on cold start at temperatures below 50 deg. f 10 deg. c. a.. improves accuracy of the fuel economy calculation in the overhead console display. note the first line. ooops! sorry! the tsb referred to in the body of your text is a different tsb than the one you provided a link to and i incorrectly asssumed they were one and the same. my mileage is very good at low speeds. define very good if i drive fast like 75 it goes way down. define way down truck is completely stock has 3.73 gears and a six speed manual. here is why i think something is nuts. pulled a trailer and race car to northwest phoenix and drove the truck back completely empty. kept between 60 and 65 on the way up and about 75 on the way back. the trailer and race car have to weigh over 5000 pounds. got better mileage on the way up. define better mileage and on the way up i took the wrong exit and got stuck in stop and go traffic for about 45 minutes. makes no sense to me. al al i got your email with the vin and will check tsbs for you however if you are concerned about fuel economy as a result of this one trip then what you have is really no more than anecdotal evidence. in order to truly check fuel economy it must be done over several fill-ups removing the variables. for example fuel variability can account for a 1-2 mpg difference. this could be the difference between winter blend and summer blend diesel. also driving conditions can play a big role. when towing my rv in flat level conditions i can usually get 13mpg at 70mpg. on the other hand when towing in hilly or mountainous conditions the fuel economy drops to 9.5 mpg. this can occur and frequently does! on one trip. on one rv trip in recent memory the presence of a stiff head wind dropped my fuel economy down by 2mpg. mike . 222 310537 1137394838.057011.116990@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com nathan w. collier wrote the engine is running and i hear a thunk and the vehicle jolts backwards. not just durangos happened on my 05 cummins dually. http//inlinediesel.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=17 for a complete description. -- nathan w. collier http//utilityoffroad.com http//7slotgrille.com http//inlinediesel.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com well thats interesting. i read your link and somebody said when they were in reverse it reved like they were in neutral - that happened to me too but i figured i wasn;t used to a mushy column gear selector; im used to the acura. ill warn my boss since he has a durango as well - i believe a 2000. .
From : big al
my 1998 dodge ram 2500 was in a collision last month in which i was t-boned by a car that ran a red light. theres extensive damage and the frame is bent. the insurance company first said that the truck was repairable but the 2nd inspector said they were going to total it. i assumed they were going to give me the blue book value of around $8000 so i asked them to please repair it instead. they agreed but mentioned that they had valued the vehicle at just over $13k. the repair estimate is $9055 and that doesnt include possibly replacing the dash until they pull the frame they wont know if the dash will pop back. should i have it repaired or take the total value truck is a 1998 v10 quad cab with only 69k miles. ive also added a bed liner trailer brake controller and a removable gooseneck hitch. im concerned about pulling my horses with this truck. also i could get a newer truck with similar features for around $15k. does totalling a car affect my insurance rates any more than repairing it will repairing it affect the long-term value or reliability help! .
From : mike simmons
the pacer was supposed to receive a twin rotor wankel that gm was supposed to put in the vega although i think it was supposed to be upsized to a 3 or 4 rotor version to handle the higher curb weight. budd on sat 14 jan 2006 183318 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote on sat 14 jan 2006 092213 +0100 steve lusardi stevenospam@lusardi.de wrote since i am the original poster of that reply 6 mos ago the argument was about a v6 design not an inline design and i am also a proud owner of an 04 ctd. of course that also excludes the slant six as well. on another note the slant six also had a nuch weaker bottom end in comparison to the gm and ford equivelents. 5 vs 7 main bearings this however was not an issue at stock power levels. as for not seeing inline engines as much as before i am afraid it is because of packaging restraints created by todays compact body styles. steve i think that the popularity of front wheel drive is a big factor in the development of the v-6 also.. kind of hard to mount an inline six sideways.. *g* it coulda fit in a pacer.... denny but not between the front wheels. the way they installed the 232 and 258 was miserable enough!!! and the 304 definitely not designed to be worked on! .
From : mike simmons
game time is 8pm est. denny larry any of you non- believers want to jump on the pats wagon bfg roy sorry about your pats but it was 10-6 the last i remember. which wagon you jumping on now steelers bg denny ya think the wagon will hold both of our fat asss bfg okay im on the steelers wagon. roy does it have heated leather seats mike well it is dennys wagon so ya gotta know the seats are at least wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide! g roy well just cause im a nice guy for a change itll have wide seats for roy heated leather for mike sheepskin covers if anybody can dig ole red out a power outlet for mac to plug in the machine and beer/iced tea taps for anybody else that wants to jump on. maybe ill find a cushman to pull it with. if anybody can supply some babes well be ready for the sbowl. denny sounds good! they played a hell of a game today. would love to see them put it on denver. roy .