1984 B250 Van... which tranny?
From : jon r pickens
Q: which engine -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams hi all... first post here. i see quite a few familiar names from the chevy groups. ive owned a 1984 b250 dodge van for years now and its been off the road for the last few. although its *highly* unfeasible to do so ive decided to start the process of getting it back on the road as it holds much sentimental value and i just enjoyed driving it a lot. before any real work can happen i need to find out a few things and my first question refers to which tranny it has. ive heard there are long and short versions of the 727 but i dont know which i have. the van is a standard-length van. by standard i mean its not a shorty and its not one of those with the extra long rear end hanging off the back...just your average sized utility van. id also like to know which rear axle it has. its been a good one. after a few engine and tranny swaps from back when my dad drove and didnt properly maintain it that rear axle has roughly 485000 miles on it. im not kidding. im looking forward to digging it out of the weeds at my ex-wifes place and getting it running well enough to drive out of there under its own power. i need to get to where i could meet a car-hauling buddy of mine for the long trip back to atlanta as its currently way out in the back woods of alabama. thanks all jp -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
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From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net
you missed the crux of my post entirely. i was not defending budd... hes a big guy and can defend himself. nor did i get caught up in his rhetoric. i merely made an observation that it seemed that some in the ng were using christian bashing as a form of sport. i merely asked that as a group we consider others beliefs and feelings before we make this a routine practice. thats all im gonna say about that.... now let get on to more interesting stuff like torque wrenches or k$n filters or sumpin... mike i knew you were not trying to defend me but asking for a return to courtesy and i thank you for that my friend. i have also asked for it and . . . . i missed this phoney balony bit of bs. pal you usually get back what you hand out. the deal is you cant deal with the crap you pass around being handed back. my concern is what will happen with those that believe if you are not bashing me then you must be defending me. your concern is you and only you that has become more and more apparant. it is all about budd. this is the first time you have said it correctly if you are not bashing me then... hold that thought!! it is you as you said that is as you call it being bashed. not christians. you yourself. it is about time you got it right. will they attack you now why would anybody attack your words mike he always conducts himself as a gentleman except for a few cheap shots.g you would do well to pattern yourself after him. .
From : jon r pickens
tom lawrence wrote youre correct imo. diesel fuel costs more the engine requires more expensive maint and it costs more to buy. in routine driving it would take over 100k miles to break even. the numbers dont support those assumptions. when you compare your gas dakota to the available diesel-powered trucks then yes - your operating costs are less but thats not an apples-to-apples comparison because you cant compare a 3/4-ton full-size truck to a dakota. the only advantage to the current diesel is their towing ability. if you tow a lot - and i do mean a lot - it just doesnt pay. ive shown comparison between my two trucks many times... it certainly does pay even though my gas v10 is lighter 2nd gen club cab vs 3rd gen quad cab and better aerodynamically my diesel is still cheaper to operate whether hauling towing or shuttling me back and forth to work which is by far its primary duty. well were comparing two different things so i guess i should have qualified that statement a little. my fault. theyre going to introduce a light duty truck with a light duty diesel - or so the rumor goes. so i was comparing my light duty truck to the current crop of available diesels - all heavy duty with large diesel engines. so let me maybe more clearly state that a big diesel doesnt make economic sense compared to a light duty gas truck in light duty use. compared to another heavy duty truck with a v10 gas engine youre right; i agree with you. i only do a little bit of towing probably less than 1500 miles a year and less than 5000#. but i drive 15000 miles a year. for me to step up to a diesel would cost me about $10k in initial purchase cost based on kbb prices. i can buy a lot of gasoline for $10k. im afraid to even calculate the cost of a brand new truck. yes a well cared for diesel should easily last 200k miles. but what about the rest of the truck im not that confident. -- ..bob 2006 fxdi hot rod 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .
From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net
on oct 31 905 pm budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote another one ducks the responsibility of admitting he posted what could be taken as an insult. http//homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm craig c. .
From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net
ok... well that solves that problem lol... what would be the best way to tackle it then put it up on stands yank the suspension out and start sandblasting repaint and undercoat and call it a day jp budd cochran wrote a frame-off cant be done the frame is welded to the body. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams .
From : jon r pickens
and that is what makes people different. it is called life why dont ya get one. i have a life a christian life an eternal life and a savior and forgiveness for my sins but roy the problem is you want me to give up heaven for your hell. and it aint gonna happen.-- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
From : jon r pickens
suddenly without warning budd cochran exclaimed 31-oct-06 1156 pm and you are wrong about my reasoning but i doubt you believe that and it limits your understanding. ok since you taken this tack then the conversation is over. there was no need to be insulting towards me. if your wondering like roy and others how i could be insulted by something said in this forum its as its been said in this and other groups insults are in the ears of the hearer. what could be funny to one is an insult to another. comparing me to your dad was an insult to me. so its over not because i was being insulting but because you are. i was simply saying what i believe to be true based on what i read. i did not think it was funny not in the least but since you included helping the kid with his car in this particular thread the clear indication was what i said. im just going to agree to disagree with you. anyway everyone else have fun. im outta here this thread not this ng. dont fret about it. you have just been subject to the new world order by budd. jmc .
From : stormin mormon
well its going to be quite a long project as i want to restore it to its original state. the hard part will be the body work. i want the frame to be blasted and repainted and the body needs to be stripped and repainted as well. all new weatherstripping was needed years ago. the windshield is cracked. how would one go about doing a frame-off resto on a dodge van jp stormin mormon wrote a chilton or haynes book will help you determine this. the vin may be of some help. also some vehicles have a big sticker in the glovebox which details all the equipment which was applied to this particular vehicle. as its more recent than 1974 it will have the electronic ignition. they are well noted for having a bad ground on the ign module. which may prevent it from starting. may i suggest you bring some fresh gasoline. and a couple cans of ether. also distributor cap and rotor. ballast resistor. a new battery. jumper cables. wish i lived closer im in western nys. id sure like to work on a project as this. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .
From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net
oops...sorry 318 2bbl is all i know... no air either if that matters. jp budd cochran wrote which engine -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams .
From : jon r pickens
on mon 30 oct 2006 103912 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on mon 30 oct 2006 071958 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote suddenly without warning budd cochran exclaimed 29-oct-06 1043 pm opinion i cant help with the truck but for explanation of the aboriginal situation their status is akin to that of the native american amerind in that theyve been mistreated over-run subjugated to the point of losing their collective sense of worth by the invaders of their homeland the white man. living in the southwest us i meet many native americans and have met over the years a few aboriginals that escaped the oppression. in both peoples they just want to live their lives in peace and harmony with their neighbors as equals. interestingly the liberals of both nations and britain tend to overlook the rights of the native peoples. actually its a good bit more complicated than that. the law supports aboriginals - over-supports them often due to legal aid - but certainly the history of what white australians did to the aboriginal is worse than what happened in the us. no its just the the superior species of man throwing its weight around. but many of individuals woes they brought on themselves - plenty of aboriginals have managed to stay out of the bottle and make good lives for themselves. but as with the american indian too many have decided to hide in a bottle and live off the govt rather than take the harder road of overcoming history and becoming something more. when you destroy a groups collective soul dont be surprised if it hides in a bottle. tell a man hes worthless enough times and hell become worthless. the same is true of the amerinds and the abos as groups. oppression here is more on an individual rather than a govt basis. many aboriginals have given up and are alcoholics violent thieves beggars or all four living in town and causing problems. due to their culture which scorns buildings - they much prefer to be outside - those individuals problems are much more on display than any other culture. one has to work very hard to stay open-minded and many white australians in this town dont seem to be up to that challenge. jmc a few years ago i had a chance to speak with a lady of standing in a nearby dine navajo tribe and a moab resident. i asked the one question that had never been asked of her people if the whites had gone to the tribal council and asked to live in peace share the land and agree to work out differences without war what would have happened oh yes that question has never been asked before budd. the fact that it is discussed in so many history books aside good job man. she looked me in the eye and said that most likely if this had been done with all the indian nations then we would still be living side by side and in peace. well thast it then. i mean if she and you said it it must be. crud we really messed up this one. she and i discussed the drinking problem and we agreed it was because the american indian is in many ways still a second class citizen still under government subjugation. and they need to be taught to live without subsidy taught they are of worth and the reservations need to be disbanded. just another example of keeping the man down baby. this lady was one of the thousands of native american kids in the 50s that had been torn from their parents arms and fostered among the whites an attempt to force white ways upon the indians. since she has learned her peoples traditions laws and helped restore their original language and often works as the dine / white liaison in the local hospital. do you remember what was the leading cause or movement behind that action budd i do. read up on it. you will find it very interesting. im currently helping her youngest son get a ramcharger 4x4 running again by teaching him things about auto mechanics no longer taught in school. he was sold an engine that had been converted point type ignition and he knew nothing about how they worked. the vehicle had been his dads before he died from cancer. its an honor to be asked help someones son become a man. very liberal of you. boy do i feel a big chuckle on the way. well...........after reading ahead looks like you werent dissapointed. at the same time this keepin the mad down campaign is actually much easier on the eyes than the martyr one. i just wonder what crusade he will take up next any bets .
From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net
suddenly without warning budd cochran exclaimed 31-oct-06 317 pm really thats not what i keep hearing from the dine the cherokee the ute lakota. maybe the gambling is the way they found they can finally win against the white man and hit him where it hurts the most his wallet. here theyre doing it a bit more constructively with tourism as mentioned earlier uluru/kata tjuta were returned to the traditional owners some years before - including the yulara. good cash cow that. jmc .
From : jon r pickens
on mon 30 oct 2006 200322 -0600 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote on mon 30 oct 2006 190955 -0600 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote ah you support christian bashing no surprise. . . . . now just where did that cartoon bash christians i saw a cool sig at another group. sorta like this. when relgion ruled the world they called it the dark ages dont know or care if it is factual but found it a bit interesting. i am kind of curious about the degradation of threads recently. it seems that christian bashing has become somewhat of a sport lately in the group. i for one am an unashamed christian perhaps not as vocal as budd but a christian nonetheless. what useful purpose are we accomplishing when we bait those of faith just because you are unfaithed does not give you a license to criticize those who are of faith. conversely we christians should not be overzealous in our evangelism towards the unfaithful. the cup is there for those who wish to partake. i would just recommend that we all conduct ourselves as gentlemen and women regardless of our religious persuasion. mike mike with all due respect to a very nice guy i think that you have it completely backwards. what is going on is just the opposite. the only reason that it even comes in is because budd has lost his friggin mind and talks about his christianity as if it were some kind of a fuckin medal. budd doesnt talk christianity or for that matter religion. not at all. if what he says passes to you as religion or as christianity then i would simply suggest you read the shit he has said lately one more time and evaluate it against your sense of christianity. you can not use the image of god or christianity as a weapon. budd is nuts. lunacy is not religion. im not defending budd or anyone else for that matter. we each define our faith as how it pertains to our lives and how it affects how we conduct our affairs with others. what i have noticed lately and not only in this ng is that somehow we christians are fair game to those who believe that religion is a foolish pursuit. a good example is craigs sig line... something about facts vs. religion... budds faith is his alone my faith is mine alone your faith or lack of as the case may be is your own... we should not ostracize others for their strongly held beliefs. i guess one approach is to remain silent rather than goad each other with needless provocations. if you remember the movie bambi you probably remember the rabbit thumper. in the movie thumper related what his mother once told him... if you cant say nuthin good then dont say nuthin at all..... we would all do well to heed thumpers advice. mike again mike with all due respect in that case no one would say anything at all. the truth is that dissent is as important as agreement whether it be religion politics sports or anything else. all that aside budd is the one you need to direct your comments to. he pushes this warped sense of religion and christianity on everyone and a reaction is bound to take place. not because of the religion but becuase of the warped part. to ask people to not dispute to not disagree is just wrong. and the world is not filled with bambis and thumpers. if it were all discussion and all rift would be much easier. but that is a childs perspective. no matter how we envy it it is not reality and it does not serve to resolve any issues. .
From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net
budd cochran wrote ah you support christian bashing no surprise. . . . . roy ... per your request http//homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. .
From : jon r pickens
ah you support christian bashing no surprise. . . . . -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote something you advocate like in keep the christians down baby how many murders does it take to be a murderer how many bigotries to be a bigot http//homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd.htm cmon craig ya gotta get some new stuff. but it was effective.g craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net
budd cochran wrote something you advocate like in keep the christians down baby how many murders does it take to be a murderer how many bigotries to be a bigot http//homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd.htm cmon craig ya gotta get some new stuff. but it was effective.g craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. .