1977W200 318 to 225 engine swap possible?

From : dumbneasy

Q: currently ive got a 77 w200 4x4 m-886 military ambulance. can i do an engine swap from the current 318 to a 225 slant 6 and keep my current transmission or is all this a pipe dream tia .

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From : bdk

dumbneasy@aol.comdumpq says... because the slant 6 was available and i dont care about speed near as much as i care about gas mileage. youre right! it is a heavy vehicle. and 9 miles per gallon with a 318 is downright embarrassing-and with a 2 barrell! i appreciate the repsponse though. thank you ok gotta ask why the /6 requires different trans motor mounts exhaust etc. the ambulance body is quite heavy and it was no road burner with the 318 to start with. overhaul the 318 itll be a whole lot easier and cheaper. budd currently ive got a 77 w200 4x4 m-886 military ambulance. can i do an engine swap from the current 318 to a 225 slant 6 and keep my current transmission or is all this a pipe dream tia i would be shocked if you get any better milage with a slant 6. please lay off the pipe! ; bdk .

From : budd cochran

your truck weighs under 4000 lbs my 79 d-150 long bed weighed in at 3900# with full dual tanks and there has to be a reason for the poor economy from the 318. mine has some very minor mods allowed by where i live true but you should be getting much better that 9 mpg. most seem to get 14-15 mpg. tell me more how many miles on it last tune up last carb rebuild is the vacuum advance working makes a big difference in mileage is your right foot a size 20 and your left a size 10 bg my son got 19.5 mpg in my old dodge on a trip to phoenix from moab ut just a few weeks ago. that included two days of city driving in phoenix. lets see if we can save you some bucks here. budd because the slant 6 was available and i dont care about speed near as much as i care about gas mileage. youre right! it is a heavy vehicle. and 9 miles per gallon with a 318 is downright embarrassing-and with a 2 barrell! i appreciate the repsponse though. thank you ok gotta ask why the /6 requires different trans motor mounts exhaust etc. the ambulance body is quite heavy and it was no road burner with the 318 to start with. overhaul the 318 itll be a whole lot easier and cheaper. budd currently ive got a 77 w200 4x4 m-886 military ambulance. can i do an engine swap from the current 318 to a 225 slant 6 and keep my current transmission or is all this a pipe dream tia .

From : budd cochran

ok gotta ask why the /6 requires different trans motor mounts exhaust etc. the ambulance body is quite heavy and it was no road burner with the 318 to start with. overhaul the 318 itll be a whole lot easier and cheaper. budd currently ive got a 77 w200 4x4 m-886 military ambulance. can i do an engine swap from the current 318 to a 225 slant 6 and keep my current transmission or is all this a pipe dream tia .

From : dumbneasy

because the slant 6 was available and i dont care about speed near as much as i care about gas mileage. youre right! it is a heavy vehicle. and 9 miles per gallon with a 318 is downright embarrassing-and with a 2 barrell! i appreciate the repsponse though. thank you ok gotta ask why the /6 requires different trans motor mounts exhaust etc. the ambulance body is quite heavy and it was no road burner with the 318 to start with. overhaul the 318 itll be a whole lot easier and cheaper. budd currently ive got a 77 w200 4x4 m-886 military ambulance. can i do an engine swap from the current 318 to a 225 slant 6 and keep my current transmission or is all this a pipe dream tia .

From : dumbneasy

budd quoting ross perot - im all ears! 58k on the engine 8k on wires. carb rebuild what carb rebuild a couple of points though. according to my m-886 manual the top speed of this vehicle is 56mph which would tend to signal a lower than stock gear ratio...or is that higher hmmm... .. i do 65 and 70 a lot. second its full-time four wheel drive. its gvwr is 8000 pounds. the military rates it as a 1 ton. finally i drilled a hole in the wall the other day to mount a fire extinguisher. iraqi sand came out of the wall. i wonder how much more is in there so budd while i would appreciate steps needed to eek out a few miles per gallon....understand this is no ordinary ambulance. lol! oh and one more thing. i have a small oil pressure problem. it operates at a littlittle over 100 p.s.i. like...i peg it. ive replaced the sensor the guage and the wire so i think i really is gettin 100 p.s.i. ive run rislone etc and its always the same. it doesnt burn oil. it doesnt have blow-by. it never comes close to overheating.....but it does blow oil out the little plate to the right of the carb intake and it continues no matter what kind of sealant i use. my thinking is that this particular vehicle was a desert storm i special lol! made especially for extreme conditions-converted while in service. and yes i know my math and 1977 doesnt equate to 1990..... go for it budd!...and i thank you! your truck weighs under 4000 lbs my 79 d-150 long bed weighed in at 3900# with full dual tanks and there has to be a reason for the poor economy from the 318. mine has some very minor mods allowed by where i live true but you should be getting much better that 9 mpg. most seem to get 14-15 mpg. tell me more how many miles on it last tune up last carb rebuild is the vacuum advance working makes a big difference in mileage is your right foot a size 20 and your left a size 10 bg my son got 19.5 mpg in my old dodge on a trip to phoenix from moab ut just a few weeks ago. that included two days of city driving in phoenix. lets see if we can save you some bucks here. budd because the slant 6 was available and i dont care about speed near as much as i care about gas mileage. youre right! it is a heavy vehicle. and 9 miles per gallon with a 318 is downright embarrassing-and with a 2 barrell! i appreciate the repsponse though. thank you ok gotta ask why the /6 requires different trans motor mounts exhaust etc. the ambulance body is quite heavy and it was no road burner with the 318 to start with. overhaul the 318 itll be a whole lot easier and cheaper. budd .

From : budd cochran

either way you get a copy of the tape and everyone here can get a link that will put them to the vid. you agree in advance that your company will be insured with proof of insurance to cover any and all claims resulting from damage to the engine fuel system or any emissions related parts due to the use of this product. if it works you have one hell of a marketing tool. if it fails you have lot of splainin ta do and if you decline well..that says loads... if i was a betting man i would bet that you will find a way to decline this or spin it into something else. i mean...i can back up the products i sell...even put guarantees in addition to the factory warranty and stand behind them...the question is after all this spamming in here can you will you of course not you dont make the product...right lol well...since i dont expect you to take that offer thanks for reading but if you wont accept it simply post that you decline and leave the group. thank you i welcome the opportunity. for the number of miles that your vehicles are being driven as i project them out a two week test would be fair. but lets get a few items clarified. if you mean you set the rules no way. since in the real world where your product will be working its gonna be real world testing... slick50 agreed to it and look at that lawsuit.... given the 12 mpg average figure i presume that each of your service vans is running from around 1400 to 2200 miles per two week period correct that would mean each one typically requires somewhere in the range of 115 to 185 gallons of fuel over that time frame right depends...but the numbers are close. sometimes more sometimes less..the new dodge that is about 4 months old and had 230 miles on it when we bought it now has over 16000 miles on it. how many vehicles are in your fleet currently 10. will the vans be operated under the same basic circumstances during the pre test compared to the post test phase that is can you make the assurance there would be no meaningful differences in city versus road driving in terms of who is driving the vans that they would carry essentially the same loads that the use of any air conditioning would not vary substantially etc. real world fella...meaning since i cant tell you where the next call will come from i cant tell you where the vans will be dispatched. if you think for one second i am gonna have the guys drive up and down i40 all 14 days think again. do you have the authority to speak for the tv station that you say will document this test has their management already consented to do so what are their call letters out of what city do they broadcast who is the individual with the station that i can contact kinda...sorta... i have already contacted the 4 stations i had in mind and all 4 are interested since this is an odd case where an person like myself is willing to play guniea pig for the sake of proving this stuff wont work. they really got interested when i told them we could run out 5 tanks in one of the hemis in 2 days....and the anglia would be a perfect candidate for the test as well...i mean...4mpg is 4mpg... the stations i contacted actually cover most of nc...one station i contacted is in southern ca....i know a few people there....and seeing as how fuel prices there are so high..well...lets say i might be on to something. the company warrants specifically that the product will void no engine warranties. but by the end of today i should be able to get with one of the top managers in the company and obtain more detailed info on the insurance coverage question. hopefully ill able to notify this forum on the matter by early tomorrow. that would be great.... i would be interested in getting that faxed to me as well with the name of the companys contact person and attorney. .

From : dumbneasy

budd risone is an engine de-gunker thats used for about 15 minutes prior to draining the crankcase. my thinking was maybe there was some sort of gunk problem with the oil pump. i use a straight 10-40 oil with no additives. as for my crash car i got it from ucsc a college for $1300. it had a bad steering box. i found a company called straight line steering in san jose that came up with an exact replacement - but a powered unit for $300 with new arm. a trip to the wrecking yard two blocks away got me a power steering pump hoses a two-belt pulley and a 15 steering wheel for $80. by the way the steering wheel spline is different than for many other dodge trucks. number on it is p-014 all i can say is...i be stylin now! when you can make a u-turn on a dime with one index finger in this ol beast ya know youve got something! lol! it would make a great camper. however this year ucsc had a 96 crown vic for sale with 67k on it which i bought for $2200. they assured me it had only been in 7 hot pursuits and all were speeding skateboarders. anyway i traded the car for an 18 enclosed cargo trailer so i dont need no steekin camper. i did buy a house in montana online auction through the us marshal service drug seizure program and the ehicle is perfect for up there. it should also have ahuge resale value to anyone in the montana militia. lol! it also registers as a car rather than a truck so i say $170 a year on tags. you can still find them up for auction. some with as little as 20 or 30k on em. they are real bargains. after all most of their service life is just sittin...waiting for something to happen. ill go with the new carb i think. ive noticed some roughness especially problems with the choke on startup. i preciate the help. thank you. quoting ross perot - im all ears! groan 58k on the engine 8k on wires. carb rebuild what carb rebuild lol!!! gee do ya think we might start there if its the carter 2-bbl found on most of the 318s then its a simple rebuild just get a kit a bucket of carb soak i like chemtool as its water soluble biodegradeable and it works a can or two of carb cleaner spray some good tools youll definitely need two flare nut wrenches in 1/2 x 9/16 and good screwdrivers and a source of 30 psi air. if its the military unit buy a rebuilt carb for a 1977 w-150 with 318. follow the directions on the repair kit and set the fuel level carefully at the specification or within 1/16 below not over. a set good starting points for your adjustment screws idle mixture lightly bottom with fingers only and back out 2 turns then run in clockwise 1/2 turn preloads the spring to lock the adjustment in place. curb idle speed the one not in line with the fast idle cam back out till it does not touch the boss on the carb run it in till it just barely touches then 2 turns in clockwise. this should get you running carb wise. a couple of points though. according to my m-886 manual the top speed of this vehicle is 56mph which would tend to signal a lower than stock gear ratio...or is that higher hmmm... lower ratio like a 4.10 compared to a 3.55 but larger numerically. junkyard axles with a better ratio is a good idea if you want better mileage. gawd those old 880s were horses to drive . . .i miss them . . . . i do 65 and 70 a lot. second its full-time four wheel drive. bet i can tell you where you gas mileage is going . . . . . . if you could leave earlier and drive 05-55 you mileage would raise considerably. its gvwr is 8000 pounds. the military rates it as a 1 ton. yep and itll haul it too that rating is the armys off-road load limit. for example a 5 ton 6 x 6 dump truck was rated 10000 lbs off-road but 20000 lbs highway. i plain forgot about the ambulance body weight earlier . . . . so you gonna make a camper out of it btw now you know why it has stiffer suspension than a regular w-150. finally i drilled a hole in the wall the other day to mount a fire extinguisher. iraqi sand came out of the wall. i wonder how much more is in there did you declare improt duty on that sand inspect it for rusts of massive destruction so budd while i would appreciate steps needed to eek out a few miles per gallon....understand this is no ordinary ambulance. lol! i agree!!! i wish id had one for a motorcycle hillclimb event i worked in 74. a friend had to be laid in just a pickup bed when he broke his leg in a spill at the 100 foot mark. oh and one more thing. i have a small oil pressure problem. it operates at a littlittle over 100 p.s.i. like...i peg it. ive replaced the sensor the guage and the wire so i think i really is gettin 100 p.s.i. look at your next paragraph rislone. isnt that one of thick gooey motor oil additives guess where your high pressure is coming from. i dont use any oil additives and the old d-150 carried 75-85 psi cold and 35-40 warm at 1000 rpm.

From : budd cochran

aw darn it. i knew i should have checked here for your reply first before replying by email. bg budd budd risone is an engine de-gunker thats used for about 15 minutes prior to draining the crankcase. my thinking was maybe there was some sort of gunk problem with the oil pump. i use a straight 10-40 oil with no additives. as for my crash car i got it from ucsc a college for $1300. it had a bad steering box. i found a company called straight line steering in san jose that came up with an exact replacement - but a powered unit for $300 with new arm. a trip to the wrecking yard two blocks away got me a power steering pump hoses a two-belt pulley and a 15 steering wheel for $80. by the way the steering wheel spline is different than for many other dodge trucks. number on it is p-014 all i can say is...i be stylin now! when you can make a u-turn on a dime with one index finger in this ol beast ya know youve got something! lol! it would make a great camper. however this year ucsc had a 96 crown vic for sale with 67k on it which i bought for $2200. they assured me it had only been in 7 hot pursuits and all were speeding skateboarders. anyway i traded the car for an 18 enclosed cargo trailer so i dont need no steekin camper. i did buy a house in montana online auction through the us marshal service drug seizure program and the ehicle is perfect for up there. it should also have ahuge resale value to anyone in the montana militia. lol! it also registers as a car rather than a truck so i say $170 a year on tags. you can still find them up for auction. some with as little as 20 or 30k on em. they are real bargains. after all most of their service life is just sittin...waiting for something to happen. ill go with the new carb i think. ive noticed some roughness especially problems with the choke on startup. i preciate the help. thank you. quoting ross perot - im all ears! groan 58k on the engine 8k on wires. carb rebuild what carb rebuild lol!!! gee do ya think we might start there if its the carter 2-bbl found on most of the 318s then its a simple rebuild just get a kit a bucket of carb soak i like chemtool as its water soluble biodegradeable and it works a can or two of carb cleaner spray some good tools youll definitely need two flare nut wrenches in 1/2 x 9/16 and good screwdrivers and a source of 30 psi air. if its the military unit buy a rebuilt carb for a 1977 w-150 with 318. follow the directions on the repair kit and set the fuel level carefully at the specification or within 1/16 below not over. a set good starting points for your adjustment screws idle mixture lightly bottom with fingers only and back out 2 turns then run in clockwise 1/2 turn preloads the spring to lock the adjustment in place. curb idle speed the one not in line with the fast idle cam back out till it does not touch the boss on the carb run it in till it just barely touches then 2 turns in clockwise. this should get you running carb wise. a couple of points though. according to my m-886 manual the top speed of this vehicle is 56mph which would tend to signal a lower than stock gear ratio...or is that higher hmmm... lower ratio like a 4.10 compared to a 3.55 but larger numerically. junkyard axles with a better ratio is a good idea if you want better mileage. gawd those old 880s were horses to drive . . .i miss them . . . . i do 65 and 70 a lot. second its full-time four wheel drive. bet i can tell you where you gas mileage is going . . . . . . if you could leave earlier and drive 05-55 you mileage would raise considerably. its gvwr is 8000 pounds. the military rates it as a 1 ton. yep and itll haul it too that rating is the armys off-road load limit. for example a 5 ton 6 x 6 dump truck was rated 10000 lbs off-road but 20000 lbs highway. i plain forgot about the ambulance body weight earlier . . . . so you gonna make a camper out of it btw now you know why it has stiffer suspension than a regular w-150. finally i drilled a hole in the wall the other day to mount a fire extinguisher. iraqi sand came out of the wall. i wonder how much more is in there did you declare improt duty on that sand inspect it for rusts of massive destruction so budd while i would appreciate steps needed to eek out a few miles per gallon....understand this is no ordinary ambulance. lol! i agree!!! i wish id had one for a motorcycle hillclimb event i worked in 74. a friend had to be laid in just a pickup bed when he broke his leg in a spill at the 100 foot mark. oh and one more thing. i have a small oil pressure problem. it operates at a littlittle over 100 p.s.i. like...i peg it. ive replaced the sensor the guage and the wire so i think i really is gettin 100 p.s.i. look at your next paragraph rislone. isnt that one of thick gooey motor oil additives guess wher