1500 vs 2500?
From : jason purcelljason purcell
Q: was at the local 5 star dealer today he had 6 rams in a thunderroad package. all quad cabs 2wd hemi 1500sltlaramie series with ground effefx custom front bumper/air dam hard top tonneau cover leather with sweade... he even added a superbee decal to a red one... too bad none in 4 wheel drive. they wouldnt let me test drive the new srt-4 though.... .
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From : tom lawrence
would i want a 2500 vs a 1500 what are the real differences bigger heavier pieces frame axles suspension which translates into more payload/towing capacity and less busted stuff. in the case of a 4x4 it also means a solid front axle vs. independent front suspension. .
From : tbone
would i want a 2500 vs a 1500 what are the real differences bigger heavier pieces frame axles suspension which translates into more payload/towing capacity and less busted stuff. in the case of a 4x4 it also means a solid front axle vs. independent front suspension. it also means a much harder ride for the 2500 so if you are just looking for a big car that can occasionally haul a few things you may be disappointed with the 2500s ride and handling. if you intend to work it hard the 1500 may not meet your needs. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : moparman
tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message would i want a 2500 vs a 1500 what are the real differences bigger heavier pieces frame axles suspension which translates into more payload/towing capacity and less busted stuff. in the case of a 4x4 it also means a solid front axle vs. independent front suspension. it also means a much harder ride for the 2500 so if you are just looking for a big car that can occasionally haul a few things you may be disappointed with the 2500s ride and handling. if you intend to work it hard the 1500 may not meet your needs. dood ive ridden in both trucks and own the 2500 hemi it is far the better ride. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches .
From : tbonemoparman
if maxs brainpower is a dimension then one half of it would be twice as much as all of it since its a negative number. ya think must not or youd know max is right. ya know what the silly part of this is budd yea that you act like you actually have a clue. in simple geometry there are right triangles. if you stuff a right triangle inside a rectangle representing the cylinder in such a way that the hypotenuse doesnt touch the side of the rectangle and the upright of the triangle is the centerline of the rectangle and then you move only the point at the top of the hypotenuse and vertical side while extending the rectangle to match the height of the triangle does that make the base wider nope. so if the top point stays on the centerline of the rectangle and the base stays the same size will the hypotenuse ever be parallel to the outer side of the rectangle nope. once again you make bs assumptions. the base of the triangle could be twice the width of the rectangle and only extend a short distance into the rectangle. since the base of the rectangle does not move if you extend the triangle farther into the rectangle the hypotenuse will evenually hit the side. so will the rod ever interfere with the cylinder nope. only with your limited conditions which are not real world. and anyone that knows engines knows that machining the cylinder skirt is usually because the crank or the big end of the rod or rod bolts not the beam as terrabone thinks wont clear the skirt. usually does not mean always now does it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : moparman
tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message would i want a 2500 vs a 1500 what are the real differences bigger heavier pieces frame axles suspension which translates into more payload/towing capacity and less busted stuff. in the case of a 4x4 it also means a solid front axle vs. independent front suspension. it also means a much harder ride for the 2500 so if you are just looking for a big car that can occasionally haul a few things you may be disappointed with the 2500s ride and handling. if you intend to work it hard the 1500 may not meet your needs. dood ive ridden in both trucks and own the 2500 hemi it is far the better ride. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches a better ride or a more truck like ride there is no magic here. heavier springs and a solid front axle are not going to give you a more car like ride than the 1500 and i have been in both as well. the only way that he will know for himself is to test drive both of them on the type of roads that he will be driving on most of the time if he can. u r rong...it rides like a luxery car...try it. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches .
From : trey
a better ride or a more truck like ride there is no magic here. heavier springs and a solid front axle are not going to give you a more car like ride than the 1500 and i have been in both as well. the only way that he will know for himself is to test drive both of them on the type of roads that he will be driving on most of the time if he can. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving what about insurance does the 2500 cost that much more to insure what about fuel economy i know the 2500 is a heavier truck how much does that affect the gas mileage i would go with the diesel 2500 if i was in the market .
From : bdk
says... tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message would i want a 2500 vs a 1500 what are the real differences bigger heavier pieces frame axles suspension which translates into more payload/towing capacity and less busted stuff. in the case of a 4x4 it also means a solid front axle vs. independent front suspension. it also means a much harder ride for the 2500 so if you are just looking for a big car that can occasionally haul a few things you may be disappointed with the 2500s ride and handling. if you intend to work it hard the 1500 may not meet your needs. dood ive ridden in both trucks and own the 2500 hemi it is far the better ride. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches a better ride or a more truck like ride there is no magic here. heavier springs and a solid front axle are not going to give you a more car like ride than the 1500 and i have been in both as well. the only way that he will know for himself is to test drive both of them on the type of roads that he will be driving on most of the time if he can. u r rong...it rides like a luxery car...try it. what drug were you using when you drove the 2500 lol if you think a 2500 rides better than a 1500 illegal substances must be involved. i drove a 2500 about a year ago and it was pretty brutal compared to the three 1500s i have driven including the one i own.. bdk .
From : toxictavrn
u r rong...it rides like a luxery car...try it. what drug were you using when you drove the 2500 lol if you think a 2500 rides better than a 1500 illegal substances must be involved. i drove a 2500 about a year ago and it was pretty brutal compared to the three 1500s i have driven including the one i own.. bdk sep 2003 unless things have really changed there aint no way in hell a 2500 rides like a luxury car! my truck has all the ride and handling qualities of a cement block! okay thats a bit of an exageration but it sure dont ride like no lexus! the 1500s by far ride better even more so now that they have ifs my truck sure does ride nice with 2500lbs in the bed though! 79 t/a ws6 455 hurst 4 spd blk w/ t-tops heavily fortified 4mpg 00 ram 2500hd qc v-10 4x4blk5 spd410 lsd 10mpg 98 intruder 1400 blk 5 spd 25mpg .
From : hdinny
carolina watercraft works inc. wrote yes the 2500 does cost more to insure. the reason it causes more damage when it hits things...as explained to me from my agent. snipped your agent is full of it. there is only about 500 lbs difference between the two and physical dimensions are almost identical with the 2500 being a tad higher by .2 and price difference is nominal so your agent and insurance company is lying. jmho hd in ny .
From : hdinny
on thu 18 sep 2003 142158 gmt budd cochran mr-d150spam@citlink.net wrote heck no i wont follow you around. i step into too many piles of stuff here in the manufactured home community already. budd budd apparently you havent figured it out yet what a surprise that is but living in a manufactured home community you are in the doo doo. max340 wrote ya know what the silly part of this is budd sorry to reply to the question would subject me to wrath. lol yeah i forgot you arent allowed to give an opinion of someone lest you be doing exactly what they do. yeah it can . . if the fool revs the engine just high enough to bend the rod just the right amount but under normal circumstances no. agreed. and that is usually because the engine has been stroked not because of a rod / stroke ratio change. zactly. i have add and my friends dont understand look!! a chicken!!! i understand it and i have this nice white dinner jacket for you with extra long sleeves that fasten in the back. are you the guy whos been following me around lol max i have add and my friends dont understand look!! a chicken!!! .
From : carolina watercraft works inc
well tom. heres where your self-proclaimed mechanical knowledge lets you down again. lol you whine and cry that you are always attacked and here you are again attacking someone else and are as usual wrong again. you should be the last person to talk about self-proclaimed mechanical knowledge being that you dont even understand the physics of an internal combustion engine with your intake and exhaust gasses moving at the same speed. the out-of-round wear in the slant sixes including the 170 and 198 engines is within accepted industry standards. in most cases ive found its always well below the industry standards even in excessive mileage units. please show me exactly where i said that it wasnt. perhaps you should follow and understand the actual discussion before jumping in with one of your desperate attempts to prove me wrong. someone mentioned that v shaped engines would wear out of round and that it was possibly due to gravity and i said that gravity had nothing to do with it. your buddy max then jumped in and said that the 225 wore out of round to the lower wall and that the forces were acting on the upper wall. this was of course incorrect. the combustion stroke wears against the lower wall like you would know anything about combustion. the reason is as mentioned the pin offset in the slant six reduces sidewall wear as well as reduces piston slap. . . but you didnt allow for that in commentaries on the leaning tower of power. because it is not relevant to the discussion. the forces act in the direction that they act and while the pin offset may reduce them to some degree it cannot eliminate them so why bring it up at all. the only reason that i can see it to help mask a lack of knowledge and ... oh never mind. you just stuck you foot in your mouth and went right on chewing. actually budd that would be you as usual. if you were not so desperate to show me up or prove me wrong that you actually thought about what you are saying you would probably be doing it a lot less. add to that the pull of gravity since the engine leans to the right is pulling the piston away from the side with the loading from combustion. wrong. the rotation of the engine indicates that during the combustion stroke the big end of the connecting rod is swinging to the high cylinder wall which puts the load on the lower wall. the added force of gravity is so much less that it can be considered nonexistent. tell us again how many hundreds of slant sixes youve overhauled tom. well try not to laugh too hard. another statement of ignorance from the master. does someone need to rebuild hundreds of them to understand the basic principles and forces acting on them how many hundreds did you rebuild how many hundreds of them did its designer rebuild you claim to have so much knowledge but dont even understand the principles of combustion so you should be the last one to talk. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote this is what you use whenever you are unable to respond. i cannot find it if it is not there and it isnt. if you are referring to your previous post about the compression and exhaust strokes i already demonstrated that the combustion stroke applies more force than the other three combined and since it applies force to the lower cylinder wall that is the reason for the 225 wear pattern and not gravity or the angle of the cylinder. since you didnt respond to that you have admitted your error. i see you are done here once again. i can tell you are done when you start calling people pinhead claiming posts dont exist calling people liars and use denial of facts rather than proof as a defense. if you ever met your own standards for proof youd surprise everyone including yourself. hey roy did anyone take odds when max would pull the standard maneuver of accusing the other person of being done while actually being the one to bail out. .
From : hdinny
carolina watercraft works inc. wrote i know what you are saying and i agree. but...500 more pounds moving and quite possibly carrying and/or towing would add to the equation...i think anyway. doesnt really matter though...the insurance companies just about seem to be able to make their own rules so we get the shaft either way. snipped makes me glad i chose a 1500. what i fought with my insurance company was them charging me about $120 more a year going from an 02 gmc sierra club cab short box to an 03 dodge quad cab short box. the dodge only weighs a few pounds more than the gmc both are v8s course the dodge is a hemi and the gmc was a 4.8l and yet they charged me more. when i asked the jerk on the other end why he came back with some crap about how much more damage the dodge would do. i told him if i hit him with the gmc then the dodge he wouldnt know the difference except for the hemi sound g. he went into a tirade about how these big trucks hurt the little honda civics. i asked him how far his civic would tow my 7000 lb trailer. justa lota sputters on his end. hd in ny .
From : denny
with the 1500 your mileage will be better but as soon as you add a trailer itll shoot down. one option for you would be to get the 2500 with the manual tranny and replace the differential/s with the gear ratio of the 1500 which you can get at the parts counter. your mileage should increase about 4/gal but will decrease when pulling a trailer like the 1500 does. the 1500 and 2500 both come with close to the same ratios available. why not just get the ratio you want in the 2500 have you priced the parts and labor to change over you can buy a heck of alot of gas for that price. i really doubt if it would make 4 mpg difference anyway maybe 2 if you are lucky. denny .
From : ed light
there must be more than one spec. available on the 2500s suspension. or the tires were really different. -- ed light smiley -/ ms smiley - .
From : ed light
tim miser timmiserno@spmyahoo.com wrote ... i fought with my insurance company try farmers. a lady ran into my trailer and had farmers. they were super-good about paying. i talked to one of their agents and he told me to keep the insurance i had! -- ed light smiley -/ ms smiley - .
From : moparman
sdhendryx@comcast.net says... tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message would i want a 2500 vs a 1500 what are the real differences bigger heavier pieces frame axles suspension which translates into more payload/towing capacity and less busted stuff. in the case of a 4x4 it also means a solid front axle vs. independent front suspension. it also means a much harder ride for the 2500 so if you are just looking for a big car that can occasionally haul a few things you may be disappointed with the 2500s ride and handling. if you intend to work it hard the 1500 may not meet your needs. dood ive ridden in both trucks and own the 2500 hemi it is far the better ride. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches a better ride or a more truck like ride there is no magic here. heavier springs and a solid front axle are not going to give you a more car like ride than the 1500 and i have been in both as well. the only way that he will know for himself is to test drive both of them on the type of roads that he will be driving on most of the time if he can. u r rong...it rides like a luxery car...try it. what drug were you using when you drove the 2500 lol if you think a 2500 rides better than a 1500 illegal substances must be involved. i drove a 2500 about a year ago and it was pretty brutal compared to the three 1500s i have driven including the one i own.. bdk i own the 2500 dumbasss try riding in a 2003 and then kiss my ass. rsfcking ford owner fer sure. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches .
From : gary cartertim miser
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From : tim miser
carolina watercraft works inc. wrote makes me glad i chose a 1500. what i fought with my insurance company was them charging me about $120 more a year going from an 02 gmc sierra club cab short box to an 03 dodge quad cab short box. the dodge only weighs a few pounds more than the gmc both are v8s course the dodge is a hemi and the gmc was a 4.8l and yet they charged me more. when i asked the jerk on the other end why he came back with some crap about how much more damage the dodge would do. i told him if i hit him with the gmc then the dodge he wouldnt know the difference except for the hemi sound g. he went into a tirade about how these big trucks hurt the little honda civics. i asked him how far his civic would tow my 7000 lb trailer. justa lota sputters on his end. hd in ny yeah i think they like to use the weight argument at least until you have one of those lightweight little sports cars! then they have a whole new book of reasons why they must charge you more for insurance! -tim .
From : bdk
says... sdhendryx@comcast.net says... tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message would i want a 2500 vs a 1500 what are the real differences bigger heavier pieces frame axles suspension which translates into more payload/towing capacity and less busted stuff. in the case of a 4x4 it also means a solid front axle vs. independent front suspension. it also means a much harder ride for the 2500 so if you are just looking for a big car that can occasionally haul a few things you may be disappointed with the 2500s ride and handling. if you intend to work it hard the 1500 may not meet your needs. dood ive ridden in both trucks and own the 2500 hemi it is far the better ride. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches a better ride or a more truck like ride there is no magic here. heavier springs and a solid front axle are not going to give you a more car like ride than the 1500 and i have been in both as well. the only way that he will know for himself is to test drive both of them on the type of roads that he will be driving on most of the time if he can. u r rong...it rides like a luxery car...try it. what drug were you using when you drove the 2500 lol if you think a 2500 rides better than a 1500 illegal substances must be involved. i drove a 2500 about a year ago and it was pretty brutal compared to the three 1500s i have driven including the one i own.. bdk i own the 2500 dumbasss try riding in a 2003 and then kiss my ass. rsfcking ford owner fer sure. did you read my post dumbass i own a 2003 1500 ram! bdk .
From : roy
there must be more than one spec. available on the 2500s suspension. or the tires were really different. now ya have it. different tires maybe a heavier spring option if they still offer one. hell 10psi in the tires will firm up the ride. remember it is a truck not a car. roy .
From : carolina watercraft works inc
actually i have priced it out and there are guys here in my area that have done the differential swap and they get 4 mpg more. as for why not get the different ratio rear end your towing capacity will be lower. -- laszlo almasi carolina watercraft works inc. 2810-5d yonkers road raleigh nc 27604 loballeng@mindspring.com with the 1500 your mileage will be better but as soon as you add a trailer itll shoot down. one option for you would be to get the 2500 with the manual tranny and replace the differential/s with the gear ratio of the 1500 which you can get at the parts counter. your mileage should increase about 4/gal but will decrease when pulling a trailer like the 1500 does. the 1500 and 2500 both come with close to the same ratios available. why not just get the ratio you want in the 2500 have you priced the parts and labor to change over you can buy a heck of alot of gas for that price. i really doubt if it would make 4 mpg difference anyway maybe 2 if you are lucky. denny .
From : jerry
denny wrote the 1500 and 2500 both come with close to the same ratios available. why not just get the ratio you want in the 2500 have you priced the parts and labor to change over you can buy a heck of alot of gas for that price. i really doubt if it would make 4 mpg difference anyway maybe 2 if you are lucky. im with you on this one makes no sense to me. the 4 extra mpg sounds like a i wish thing and even the 2 mpg would be a stretch depending on driver and conditions. jerry .
From : jerry
carolina watercraft works inc. wrote yes the 2500 does cost more to insure. the reason it causes more damage when it hits things...as explained to me from my agent. all the years ive been driving and buying insurance for my vehicles ive never had a agent make this claim. there are two reasons for insurance costs the first being replacement cost and the second being repair cost of your vehicle with all this tied to your locality. actually there is a third reason and that is your driving record. how would a insurance company know if you were going to hit a viper or a neon bet that viper cost more to insure than my truck. jerry .
From : hdinny
jerry wrote carolina watercraft works inc. wrote yes the 2500 does cost more to insure. the reason it causes more damage when it hits things...as explained to me from my agent. all the years ive been driving and buying insurance for my vehicles ive never had a agent make this claim. there are two reasons for insurance costs the first being replacement cost and the second being repair cost of your vehicle with all this tied to your locality. actually there is a third reason and that is your driving record. how would a insurance company know if you were going to hit a viper or a neon bet that viper cost more to insure than my truck. jerry well thats what they are basing insurance cost on how much damage a particular vehicle can do to a mini-car. i know i went through the same dialogue with our metlife agent. argued till i was blue in the face and got no where. this particular agent drove a civic and got really huffy with me. hd in ny .
From : ed light
roy roy@home.net wrote sorry bro but ya gotta be getting the aarp and the senior discount by now.g thats what ive got! my local farmers agent says that its really good. btw id love to know what the local farmers agent offers. maybe the original poster could try and report back i have blind faith in farmers. -- ed light smiley -/ ms smiley - .
From : mac davis
on fri 19 sep 2003 180631 gmt hdinny huffiam@earthlink.net wrote jerry wrote carolina watercraft works inc. wrote yes the 2500 does cost more to insure. the reason it causes more damage when it hits things...as explained to me from my agent. all the years ive been driving and buying insurance for my vehicles ive never had a agent make this claim. there are two reasons for insurance costs the first being replacement cost and the second being repair cost of your vehicle with all this tied to your locality. actually there is a third reason and that is your driving record. how would a insurance company know if you were going to hit a viper or a neon bet that viper cost more to insure than my truck. jerry well thats what they are basing insurance cost on how much damage a particular vehicle can do to a mini-car. i know i went through the same dialogue with our metlife agent. argued till i was blue in the face and got no where. this particular agent drove a civic and got really huffy with me. hd in ny unless of course they cant get you on that for your particular car or truck... then they get to you buy telling you how expensive your car or truck is to fix... imho its almost unavoidable like death n taxes... so i pay to play and say the hell with it... .
From : roy
on fri 19 sep 2003 180631 gmt hdinny huffiam@earthlink.net wrote jerry wrote carolina watercraft works inc. wrote yes the 2500 does cost more to insure. the reason it causes more damage when it hits things...as explained to me from my agent. all the years ive been driving and buying insurance for my vehicles ive never had a agent make this claim. there are two reasons for insurance costs the first being replacement cost and the second being repair cost of your vehicle with all this tied to your locality. actually there is a third reason and that is your driving record. how would a insurance company know if you were going to hit a viper or a neon bet that viper cost more to insure than my truck. jerry well thats what they are basing insurance cost on how much damage a particular vehicle can do to a mini-car. i know i went through the same dialogue with our metlife agent. argued till i was blue in the face and got no where. this particular agent drove a civic and got really huffy with me. hd in ny unless of course they cant get you on that for your particular car or truck... then they get to you buy telling you how expensive your car or truck is to fix... imho its almost unavoidable like death n taxes... so i pay to play and say the hell with it... sorry bro but ya gotta be getting the aarp and the senior discount by now.g roy .
From : Annonymous
the 1500 has torsion springs the 2500 has a much heavier coil spring and that translates to a stiffer ride next thing that will effect your ride are the tires off road tires give a rougher ride the street 20s provide a very smooth ride the rear end with posi will also be a little rougher than the stock the ride will very depending on your package test drive them all the price is rite ad wrote bdk wrote says... snip i own the 2500 dumbasss try riding in a 2003 and then kiss my ass. rsfcking ford owner fer sure. did you read my post dumbass i own a 2003 1500 ram! bdk i own neither but i like the ride of the 2500 better then the 1500. i currently drive an expedition jeep cherokee and a chevy blazer. i say the 03 2500 rides the best. what it comes down to is personal preference. btw ive driven a lexus ls400 many times as my parents own one and its ride is to smooth for me. .
From : trey
well thats what they are basing insurance cost on how much damage a particular vehicle can do to a mini-car. i know i went through the same dialogue with our metlife agent. argued till i was blue in the face and got no where. this particular agent drove a civic and got really huffy with me. hd in ny just tell him that if stays out of the way then you wont hit him. ;- .
From : hdinny
trey wrote well thats what they are basing insurance cost on how much damage a particular vehicle can do to a mini-car. i know i went through the same dialogue with our metlife agent. argued till i was blue in the face and got no where. this particular agent drove a civic and got really huffy with me. hd in ny just tell him that if stays out of the way then you wont hit him. ;- hah. i asked him how far i could tow my 7000 lb trailer with his phisic er civic g. hd in ny .
From : dae
bdk wrote says... snip i own the 2500 dumbasss try riding in a 2003 and then kiss my ass. rsfcking ford owner fer sure. did you read my post dumbass i own a 2003 1500 ram! bdk i own neither but i like the ride of the 2500 better then the 1500. i currently drive an expedition jeep cherokee and a chevy blazer. i say the 03 2500 rides the best. what it comes down to is personal preference. btw ive driven a lexus ls400 many times as my parents own one and its ride is to smooth for me. .
From : dae
jerry wrote carolina watercraft works inc. wrote yes the 2500 does cost more to insure. the reason it causes more damage when it hits things...as explained to me from my agent. all the years ive been driving and buying insurance for my vehicles ive never had a agent make this claim. there are two reasons for insurance costs the first being replacement cost and the second being repair cost of your vehicle with all this tied to your locality. actually there is a third reason and that is your driving record. how would a insurance company know if you were going to hit a viper or a neon bet that viper cost more to insure than my truck. jerry you forgot the 4th. its the credit report. bad report means higher rates. .