'06 Ram w/Diesel -- Doesn't 'hold' heat

From : hober mallow

Q: on tue 27 nov 2007 194309 -0600 hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man mine does the same completely normal. just think huge radiator = huge heat exchanger -- chris .

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From : beryl

squealing punkin on dec 1 335 am beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote edith i dont know what the surface area of a cummins 5.9 is compared to a magnum 5.9 but the cummins has a bore of 4.02 and a stroke of 4.72 where as the magnum has a bore of 4 and a stroke of 3.58 which means that the surface area of the cylinder which the piston travels past is actually larger on the magnum by about 2 square inches. ... correction total the surface area of the cylinders which the pistons travel past... the magnum has a smaller surface area through which the piston travels per cylinder but the surface area for all the cylinders is slightly greater in the magnum. i made a linquistic mistake and if i posted the formulas below this probably wouldnt be an issue. your issues go beyond linquistic mistakes you moron. magnum 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4 x pi x 3.58 x 8 = 359.7 square inches. cummins 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4.02 x pi x 4.72 x 6 = 357.5 square inches. of course the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger and thats no way to measure the outside surface area of the engine but its interesting to note. now that youve explained what you were talking about no this isnt interesting to note. what exactly does the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger even mean larger than what this is not a wise crack i really dont understand what you are trying to say here. the cylinders walls have to extend below the top of the pistons so that the pistons will remain in the cylinders. therefore the actual surface area of the cylinder walls is larger than what i calculated. combustion chamber surface area has nothing to do with however much cylinder sleeve extends below. including the cylinder heads would have made some sense. but you didnt of course so i have to tell you. yeah what ever you say you cock sucking whore go back and play with you friends snoball and boner. i am sick and tied of your bullshit. what happened to edith punkin .

From : denny

! how then could the load be determined we asked he said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each leg on a scale. a lesson in practical engineering i remember to this day! that kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid detroit enginneer and a mechanic with common sense.......... vbg denny .

From : roy

squealing punkin on dec 1 335 am beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote edith i dont know what the surface area of a cummins 5.9 is compared to a magnum 5.9 but the cummins has a bore of 4.02 and a stroke of 4.72 where as the magnum has a bore of 4 and a stroke of 3.58 which means that the surface area of the cylinder which the piston travels past is actually larger on the magnum by about 2 square inches. ... correction total the surface area of the cylinders which the pistons travel past... the magnum has a smaller surface area through which the piston travels per cylinder but the surface area for all the cylinders is slightly greater in the magnum. i made a linquistic mistake and if i posted the formulas below this probably wouldnt be an issue. your issues go beyond linquistic mistakes you moron. magnum 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4 x pi x 3.58 x 8 = 359.7 square inches. cummins 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4.02 x pi x 4.72 x 6 = 357.5 square inches. of course the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger and thats no way to measure the outside surface area of the engine but its interesting to note. now that youve explained what you were talking about no this isnt interesting to note. what exactly does the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger even mean larger than what this is not a wise crack i really dont understand what you are trying to say here. the cylinders walls have to extend below the top of the pistons so that the pistons will remain in the cylinders. therefore the actual surface area of the cylinder walls is larger than what i calculated. combustion chamber surface area has nothing to do with however much cylinder sleeve extends below. including the cylinder heads would have made some sense. but you didnt of course so i have to tell you. yeah what ever you say you cock sucking whore go back and play with you friends snoball and boner. i am sick and tied of your bullshit. what happened to edith punkin you even suck as a troll! friggin pos. .

From : tbone

snip gee how grown up of you budd. well at least budd although towards his last posts he was a pia brought a ton experience and hands on knowledge to the group. having said that and as im no big fan of the old prick id still take being called budd as a sorta back handed compliment i guess that depends on how you look at it. if you are looking at it from the side of his experience and knowledge with old mopars for the most part i would agree with you. hmmm... i wasnt limiting to old mopars. in a lot of cases his knowledge based on his hands on was a help on any year. if you look at it from the side of the general bad attitude he had toward others which was extended toward everyone at the end then we have a very different story. any way that you want to spin it i didnt attack larry and there was really no excuse for this childish outburst from him other than he has really become a crybaby asshole the above wasnt a attck oh it was just a spin.lol i guess that i can see why you would call this an attack after all it was posted by me. but if you took the time to actually look at the thread you would have seen that the above is simply a statement of fact and my current personal opinion of him based on his actions. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

snip gee how grown up of you budd. well at least budd although towards his last posts he was a pia brought a ton experience and hands on knowledge to the group. having said that and as im no big fan of the old prick id still take being called budd as a sorta back handed compliment i guess that depends on how you look at it. if you are looking at it from the side of his experience and knowledge with old mopars for the most part i would agree with you. hmmm... i wasnt limiting to old mopars. in a lot of cases his knowledge based on his hands on was a help on any year. if you look at it from the side of the general bad attitude he had toward others which was extended toward everyone at the end then we have a very different story. you could have ended it right here. any way that you want to spin it i didnt attack larry and there was really no excuse for this childish outburst from him or here. other than he has really become a crybaby asshole the above wasnt a attck oh it was just a spin.lol i guess that i can see why you would call this an attack after all it was posted by me. spare me the im picked on deal but if you took the time to actually look at the thread you would have seen that the above is simply a statement of fact and my current personal opinion of him based on his actions. i read pretty well even with one eyeg you can spin it or couch what ya wrote any way you want to satisfy your statement but it was a attack imo. when i tell you that sheryl is nothing but a troll a pos and a friggin loser is that a attack sure it is. it is posted on a open forum for all to read not in a email to you that nobody sees -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : Annonymous

on sun 2 dec 2007 105242 -0500 tbone noway@nothere.com wrote snip gee how grown up of you budd. well at least budd although towards his last posts he was a pia brought a ton experience and hands on knowledge to the group. having said that and as im no big fan of the old prick id still take being called budd as a sorta back handed compliment i guess that depends on how you look at it. if you are looking at it from the side of his experience and knowledge with old mopars for the most part i would agree with you. hmmm... i wasnt limiting to old mopars. in a lot of cases his knowledge based on his hands on was a help on any year. if you look at it from the side of the general bad attitude he had toward others which was extended toward everyone at the end then we have a very different story. any way that you want to spin it i didnt attack larry and there was really no excuse for this childish outburst from him other than he has really become a crybaby asshole the above wasnt a attck oh it was just a spin.lol i guess that i can see why you would call this an attack after all it was posted by me. but if you took the time to actually look at the thread you would have seen that the above is simply a statement of fact and my current personal opinion of him based on his actions. everything within its own context tom. larry reacts to sheryl a bit more than he should but then sheryl has a certain fascination with larry. now larry came to this ng to talk. sheryl came to this ng to cause problems. their actions certainly bear that out so if you want to form an opnion based on impartial observations keep that in mind. now that tom would be a statement of fact. what you made was a statement of opnion based on your perceptions of their actions which was far from impartial. that is not a big surprise impartiality comes with maturity and i understand that you are still working on that. another thing that comes with maturity is responsibility. in this case that would mean simply taking responsibility for your own actions. you also have a long way to go in that area tom. you spin everything you say. you attacked larry but you arent even big enough to acknowledge that.........you run away and try to pretend that you didnt. i have asked you this before but how old are you now that is not an attack as i have told you before i am genuinely curious because i strongly suspect that you are still in your teens. that isnt a bad thing everyone deserves a chance to grow up it would just help to expalin your behavior. anyway think about it. .

From : ed h

edith ive never read such pearls of wisdom as and i think of delta t or delta anything as a change in t or in anything. different than a differential i can use a more toddleresque style for you if you need that. then theres a differential exists between two or more things all at once at the same time. but a change in some thing does not exist at once because some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like that its now like this. thats why theres time so everything doesnt all happen at once. its right eye popped edith. i saw waves emanate from the site. please explain this statement. i can kind of follow your other stuff about this that and time but i really dont understand the above. i suspect its some kind on insult however. lets not forget but im not an engineer. no poor me. i have no official documents attesting to my ability. nothing wrong with that. i only i wish i was half as smart as beryl then i might understand what this genius wrote. until im as smart as beryl let me add these few simple words beryl lay off the sauce man or get yourself to an emergency room because you write like you just suffered a stroke. i dont drink edith. ok i had a glass of wine 8 years ago. no drugs too. ill send you a urine sample. got the urine sample no drugs of any kind found but...youre pregnant. .

From : beryl

edith 050 10050 ----------------------- | | | a | | | | b | | | ----------------------- 00 1000 table measures 50 x 100 book a is 14 lbs. at 2035 book b is 27 lbs. at 6020 do it. answer book b is 13 lbs. heavier than book a. no. the distance between the books is 42.7 feet. its a big table. .

From : denny

denny wrote ! how then could the load be determined we asked he said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each leg on a scale. a lesson in practical engineering i remember to this day! that kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid detroit enginneer and a mechanic with common sense.......... vbg denny and what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000 miles away going to fly him out there you must be an enginneer with this thinking.... how about telephones...pictures....internet.... denny .

From : denny

thedumbguy ... cause problems. their actions certainly bear that out so if you want to form an opnion based on impartial observations keep that in mind. now that tom would be a statement of fact. propaganda. tbag is one of a very few impartial regulars here. you larry roy tom lawrence edith aarcuda heatwave etc. etc... members of the clique. punks. hey mike.... looks like you and me got left out again. this is getting kinda regular.... denny .

From : beryl

edith edith ive never read such pearls of wisdom as and i think of delta t or delta anything as a change in t or in anything. different than a differential i can use a more toddleresque style for you if you need that. then theres a differential exists between two or more things all at once at the same time. but a change in some thing does not exist at once because some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like that its now like this. thats why theres time so everything doesnt all happen at once. its right eye popped edith. i saw waves emanate from the site. please explain this statement. i can kind of follow your other stuff about this that and time but i really dont understand the above. i suspect its some kind on insult however. no insult there forget about it. lets not forget but im not an engineer. no poor me. i have no official documents attesting to my ability. nothing wrong with that. so then 050 10050 ----------------------- | | | a | | | | b | | | ----------------------- 00 1000 table measures 50 x 100 book a is 14 lbs. at 2035 book b is 27 lbs. at 6020 do it. i only i wish i was half as smart as beryl then i might understand what this genius wrote. until im as smart as beryl let me add these few simple words beryl lay off the sauce man or get yourself to an emergency room because you write like you just suffered a stroke. i dont drink edith. ok i had a glass of wine 8 years ago. no drugs too. ill send you a urine sample. got the urine sample no drugs of any kind found but...youre pregnant. .

From : beryl

denny wrote denny wrote ! how then could the load be determined we asked he said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each leg on a scale. a lesson in practical engineering i remember to this day! that kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid detroit enginneer and a mechanic with common sense.......... vbg denny and what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000 miles away going to fly him out there you must be an enginneer with this thinking.... how about telephones...pictures....internet.... so your practical engineer can build a duplicate of the problem in his shop and then weigh it denny .

From : roy

im starting to think you aint got the brains to pound sand in a rathole.... denny it would seem my floppy eared friend that you just might of hit on it. roy .

From : beryl

denny wrote then the table is a wooden patio deck! you and mike are going to build it. you cant weigh the damn thing. why in the fuck would i want to weigh a patio deck exactly you wouldnt. especially with a jacuzzi tub positioned at 6020 what in the hell happened to all the common sense in this world im starting to think good. a start is good. .

From : ed h

edith edith ive never read such pearls of wisdom as and i think of delta t or delta anything as a change in t or in anything. different than a differential i can use a more toddleresque style for you if you need that. then theres a differential exists between two or more things all at once at the same time. but a change in some thing does not exist at once because some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like that its now like this. thats why theres time so everything doesnt all happen at once. its right eye popped edith. i saw waves emanate from the site. please explain this statement. i can kind of follow your other stuff about this that and time but i really dont understand the above. i suspect its some kind on insult however. no insult there forget about it. lets not forget but im not an engineer. no poor me. i have no official documents attesting to my ability. nothing wrong with that. so then 050 10050 ----------------------- | | | a | | | | b | | | ----------------------- 00 1000 table measures 50 x 100 book a is 14 lbs. at 2035 book b is 27 lbs. at 6020 do it. answer book b is 13 lbs. heavier than book a. i only i wish i was half as smart as beryl then i might understand what this genius wrote. until im as smart as beryl let me add these few simple words beryl lay off the sauce man or get yourself to an emergency room because you write like you just suffered a stroke. i dont drink edith. ok i had a glass of wine 8 years ago. no drugs too. ill send you a urine sample. got the urine sample no drugs of any kind found but...youre pregnant. .

From : napalmheart

edith ive never read such pearls of wisdom as and i think of delta t or delta anything as a change in t or in anything. different than a differential i can use a more toddleresque style for you if you need that. then theres a differential exists between two or more things all at once at the same time. but a change in some thing does not exist at once because some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like that its now like this. thats why theres time so everything doesnt all happen at once. its right eye popped edith. i saw waves emanate from the site. please explain this statement. i can kind of follow your other stuff about this that and time but i really dont understand the above. i suspect its some kind on insult however. lets not forget but im not an engineer. no poor me. i have no official documents attesting to my ability. nothing wrong with that. i only i wish i was half as smart as beryl then i might understand what this genius wrote. until im as smart as beryl let me add these few simple words beryl lay off the sauce man or get yourself to an emergency room because you write like you just suffered a stroke. i dont drink edith. ok i had a glass of wine 8 years ago. no drugs too. ill send you a urine sample. got the urine sample no drugs of any kind found but...youre pregnant. which confirms my belief that beryl is female. .

From : beryl

heartburn ... i dont drink edith. ok i had a glass of wine 8 years ago. no drugs too. ill send you a urine sample. got the urine sample no drugs of any kind found but...youre pregnant. which confirms my belief that beryl is female. ill ship you a sample too. best served between 80* - 95* please refrigerate unused portion. enjoy. .

From : azwiley1

miles nope@nopers.com wrote in marina wrote my full time 4wd never had any slippage except on ice of course. i used to drive into a deep snow to stack the snow and easily got out. this past winter i tried the same with my pt 4wd and it got stuck and i had to have somebody come and pull me out. the other guy has a newer truck like mine and he was spinning his tires on this driveway that is flat. part time will generally do much better in deep snow than full time 4wd. do you have the factory stock tires if so thats probably the culprit. i have the michelin ltx a/s stock tires and they have about zero traction in snow. the ltx m/s or a/t are excellent in snow. i had all weather tires put on. i think i asked for all terrain and now theyre called all weather. the dealer could have said all season. i dont remember. there are too many terms thrown around i cant keep track of them. they dont look like the ones i had on the other truck. with the other one you could see the large tread just by looking at the side wall. but i can tell the tires i have now are better than normal tires thatd be installed. in the end i think youre on to something with the tires. ill check later and see the brand i have. marina .

From : Annonymous

well i thought i had this problem fixed with the replacement of the iac motor and a full tank of good gas. however the issue resurfaced a few days after. come to find out it was the battery. replaced with a new one and issue has been gone for over a full week now. this just started happening. 1998 dodge dakota v8 5.2l auto 98k miles driving along then let off the gas. rpms drop to near zero then come back to life engine stalls. also random stalling at stop lights/signs or during low speeds with next to no acceleration. no codes showing. also noticed that the right side pcv valve rattles and/or it sounds like a rattling or a little motor winding down towards the rear of the engine. i felt the pcv valve when the engine was turned off and it did rattle. i replaced the pcv valve today and the same thing is happening- rattling when motor is revved up then let go of throttle or shutting the engine off. i cant seem to make it happen either. it does it at random. clues suggestions .

From : beryl

marina wrote my full time 4wd never had any slippage except on ice of course. i used to drive into a deep snow to stack the snow and easily got out. this past winter i tried the same with my pt 4wd and it got stuck and i had to have somebody come and pull me out. the other guy has a newer truck like mine and he was spinning his tires on this driveway that is flat. part time will generally do much better in deep snow than full time 4wd. do you have the factory stock tires if so thats probably the culprit. i have the michelin ltx a/s stock tires and they have about zero traction in snow. the ltx m/s or a/t are excellent in snow. .

From : christopher thompson

tbone noway@nothere.com wrote in my very first truck was a dodge 1979 sno-commander. it was full time 4wd. thats why my husband called it back then. we never had to do anything to put it into 4wd. he since passed on and i finally had to sell that truck and i bought a dodge 2003 1500 with 4wd. except you have to shift the transfer case into 4wd when you need it. i only need 4wd for plowing my driveway. fairly flat/level driveway. i have no problems plowing. is there any difference between 4wd-h and 4wd-l on the transfer case shift lever i know that one is used for intance if youre already out driving on the road and want to shift into 4wd. my question is - do both the h and l perform the same thing when the truck is in 4wd yes they do. the only difference is that 4wd-l has an increased gear ratio for a significant increase in pulling / pushing power at a significant reduction in speed. in your case 4wd-l would allow you to plow your driveway without cooking the transmission. the only real difference is that you cannot shift into 4wd-l while the truck is moving and the gearing is way to low to drive it at any speed in 4wd-l. go

From : azwiley1

sure. another question is why is there some tire spinning/slipping when im navigating a sharp turn from the back of the garage around to the side garage in driveway on paved surface. the truck is barely moving because its a tight turn. my 1979 never did any tire spinning. do they make 4wd trucks weaker than they used to it has nothing to do with the strength of the system but rather the implementation. a full time 4wd has been set up for use in all conditions and has a method to allow the front and rear axles to turn at different speeds such as in a turn. a part time 4wd is designed for use only under slippery conditions reason its called part time and simply locks the front and rear axles together. it depends on a wheel slipping under a tight turn to make up the difference between the axle speeds during a turn. because of this part time 4wd should not be used in dry conditions especially during tight turns as the increased traction of the tires in these conditions prevent them from slipping easily and put excessive stress on the drive train and this can damage it. oh ok good to know. i just attached the plow that day. i was turning the truck around to face toward the street. no snow yet. i know the driveway was wet from rain. the last question is while driving on a stone/dirt road that is just at the start of driving up a mountain near a ski resort in the finger lakes in ny......i began in 2wd and felt it needed 4wd. i put it in 4wd but it kept popping out and into n. i finally had to cram it in 4wd and keep holding it while driving up and up for about 2 miles before i got to my friends house. then it was another .25 mile up their driveway. is that a common thing that the gears wont engage actually my grandam navigates that road better than the truck. it is not a common thing for it to keep jumping out of 4wd. as said before part time 4wd locks the two axles together and is not intended for use on dry roads. this locking of the axles causes wheel slip in turns which may make the truck feel loose on dirt and stone roads especially compared to your front wheel drive grandam. as for it jumping out of gear that is not normal and indicates a possible defect or damage to the transfer case possibly from engaging the 4wd in dry conditions during tight turns. i would have that looked at. sounds reasonable. i forgot to mention i bought it used so who knows what the other owner did. marina . 222 340880 474cf6ba$0$11953$c3e8da3@.astraweb.com marina wrote my question is - do both the h and l perform the same thing when the truck is in 4wd 4l is a much much lower gear ratio than 4h. 4l could be handy when plowing as youre driving very slow and want the extra low gearing 4l provides. use 4h if driving on normal roads or highways when 4wd is needed. another question is why is there some tire spinning/slipping when im navigating a sharp turn from the back of the garage around to the side garage in driveway on paved surface. the truck is barely moving because its a tight turn. my 1979 never did any tire spinning. do they make 4wd trucks weaker than they used to no not weaker rather the opposite. your old truck was full time 4wd. that means the front and rear differentials were not locked together and thus the front and rear could turn at different speeds. your new truck is part time 4wd. never shift to 4wd on dry pavement. what you are experiencing is one tire wanting to turn faster than another and your road surface isnt allowing for any slippage. part time 4wd generally provides superior traction in slippery conditions such as snow than full time 4wd while the latter provides better handling on dry to moderate roads. my full time 4wd never had any slippage except on ice of course. i used to drive into a deep snow to stack the snow and easily got out. this past winter i tried the same with my pt 4wd and it got stuck and i had to have somebody come and pull me out. the other guy has a newer truck like mine and he was spinning his tires on this driveway that is flat. the last question is while driving on a stone/dirt road that is just at the start of driving up a mountain near a ski resort in the finger lakes in ny......i began in 2wd and felt it needed 4wd. i put it in 4wd but it kept popping out and into n. i finally had to cram it in 4wd and keep holding it while driving up and up for about 2 miles before i got to my friends house. then it was another .25 mile up their driveway. is that a common thing that the gears wont engage actually my grandam navigates that road better than the truck. your owners manual explains the proper way to shift into 4wd. in my 2000 ram i had to stop before shifting the transfer case to 4l. shifting to 4h while moving slowly was possible but not while accelerating. i also could not stop at n even for a second or id have the trouble

From : tbone

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

thedumbguy ... cause problems. their actions certainly bear that out so if you want to form an opnion based on impartial observations keep that in mind. now that tom would be a statement of fact. propaganda. tbag is one of a very few impartial regulars here. it is good that you have found a friend. you larry roy tom lawrence edith aarcuda heatwave etc. etc... members of the clique. punks. wow!! it really must suck to be ignored. for facts about the role im playing we need to go back to hole in the bed from march 19. 8 months ago get current will ya. .

From : beryl

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol! .

From : ed h

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol! .

From : denny

denny wrote denny wrote ! how then could the load be determined we asked he said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each leg on a scale. a lesson in practical engineering i remember to this day! that kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid detroit enginneer and a mechanic with common sense.......... vbg denny and what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000 miles away going to fly him out there you must be an enginneer with this thinking.... how about telephones...pictures....internet.... so your practical engineer can build a duplicate of the problem in his shop and then weigh it i guess it all depends on how good he is and how bad he wants to duplicate it.. denny .

From : denny

denny wrote thedumbguy ... cause problems. their actions certainly bear that out so if you want to form an opnion based on impartial observations keep that in mind. now that tom would be a statement of fact. propaganda. tbag is one of a very few impartial regulars here. you larry roy tom lawrence edith aarcuda heatwave etc. etc... members of the clique. punks. hey mike.... looks like you and me got left out again. this is getting kinda regular.... oversight. but ediths okay. the moron. oh f**k me. beryl thinks im okay. i must be doing something wrong. lmfao!!!!!! denny .

From : ed h

denny wrote thedumbguy ... cause problems. their actions certainly bear that out so if you want to form an opnion based on impartial observations keep that in mind. now that tom would be a statement of fact. propaganda. tbag is one of a very few impartial regulars here. you larry roy tom lawrence edith aarcuda heatwave etc. etc... members of the clique. punks. hey mike.... looks like you and me got left out again. this is getting kinda regular.... oversight. but ediths okay. the moron. oh f**k me. beryl thinks im okay. i must be doing something wrong. .

From : beryl

denny wrote denny wrote denny wrote denny wrote ! how then could the load be determined we asked he said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each leg on a scale. a lesson in practical engineering i remember to this day! that kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid detroit enginneer and a mechanic with common sense.......... vbg denny and what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000 miles away going to fly him out there you must be an enginneer with this thinking.... how about telephones...pictures....internet.... so your practical engineer can build a duplicate of the problem in his shop and then weigh it i guess it all depends on how good he is and how bad he wants to duplicate it.. the table could be a wing section prototype set to be built in japan. the books might be landing gear components coming from england. theres nothing much to duplicate its still evolving on paper. so your team is out. the job goes elsewhere. i really dont see the problem as long as you go with the job.... then the table is a wooden patio deck! you and mike are going to build it. you cant weigh the damn thing. .

From : beryl

ed h. wrote denny wrote thedumbguy ... cause problems. their actions certainly bear that out so if you want to form an opnion based on impartial observations keep that in mind. now that tom would be a statement of fact. propaganda. tbag is one of a very few impartial regulars here. you larry roy tom lawrence edith aarcuda heatwave etc. etc... members of the clique. punks. hey mike.... looks like you and me got left out again. this is getting kinda regular.... oversight. but ediths okay. the moron. oh f**k me. beryl thinks im okay. i must be doing something wrong. youre ineffective and dont get agitated. .

From : azwiley1

on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. .

From : azwiley1

on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. .

From : roy

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate the heat quicker regards the size a 360v is probably about the same in surface area but not as heavy as the i-6 snip of net nanny bs .

From : tbone

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate the heat quicker regards the size a 360v is probably about the same in surface area but not as heavy as the i-6 please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving a v-8 would not have as much surface area as an i-6 or to put it much more accurately not as much surface area in relation to total area. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mike simmons

thedumbguy ... cause problems. their actions certainly bear that out so if you want to form an opnion based on impartial observations keep that in mind. now that tom would be a statement of fact. propaganda. tbag is one of a very few impartial regulars here. you larry roy tom lawrence edith aarcuda heatwave etc. etc... members of the clique. punks. hey mike.... looks like you and me got left out again. this is getting kinda regular.... denny probably has to do with pink bunny suits and heated seats.g roy ....smartass... ^ mike .

From : beryl

denny wrote thedumbguy ... cause problems. their actions certainly bear that out so if you want to form an opnion based on impartial observations keep that in mind. now that tom would be a statement of fact. propaganda. tbag is one of a very few impartial regulars here. you larry roy tom lawrence edith aarcuda heatwave etc. etc... members of the clique. punks. hey mike.... looks like you and me got left out again. this is getting kinda regular.... oversight. but ediths okay. the moron. .

From : beryl

denny wrote denny wrote denny wrote ! how then could the load be determined we asked he said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each leg on a scale. a lesson in practical engineering i remember to this day! that kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid detroit enginneer and a mechanic with common sense.......... vbg denny and what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000 miles away going to fly him out there you must be an enginneer with this thinking.... how about telephones...pictures....internet.... so your practical engineer can build a duplicate of the problem in his shop and then weigh it i guess it all depends on how good he is and how bad he wants to duplicate it.. the table could be a wing section prototype set to be built in japan. the books might be landing gear components coming from england. theres nothing much to duplicate its still evolving on paper. so your team is out. the job goes elsewhere. .

From : tbone

on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate the heat quicker regards the size a 360v is probably about the same in surface area but not as heavy as the i-6 please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving doesnt liquid moving or motionless wick heat from metal a v-8 would not have as much surface area as an i-6 or to put it much more accurately not as much surface area in relation to total area. i really dont know if that is correct or not. but there are a heck of a lot more parts to hold heat in a v360 than in a i-6 .

From : azwiley1

on nov 30 254 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - actually yours is more like your best friend sheryls post. a post for nothing more then to stir shit. ed was meerly point out something based off what he saw. funny how you are taking to jump on my posts or those like ed did but you say nothing when the troll cock sucker purposely stirs shit. .

From : azwiley1

on nov 30 254 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - oh yeah if growing up would mean that i would end up anything like you screw that i would rather be like budd. .

From : ed h

on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. the difference is that you jumped in with hate and apparently not reading the original question while i pointed out that he wasnt answering the question nor did i call beryl names or make assumptions as to why he posted his response unlike your response to me which you kind of admit was filled with anger. perhaps more than one person around here needs to grow up. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : beryl

beryl ed h. wrote got the urine sample no drugs of any kind found but...youre pregnant. used the taste test huh geologists sometimes /taste/ minerals to identify them. or so we were told. students in one of my classes received mystery mineral samples and were asked to identify them and report back. instructor funny guy! gave me a tiny vial of tiny grains. i failed to figure out what the precious stuff was. turned out i got crystallized bat urine. .

From : denny

denny wrote denny wrote denny wrote ! how then could the load be determined we asked he said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each leg on a scale. a lesson in practical engineering i remember to this day! that kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid detroit enginneer and a mechanic with common sense.......... vbg denny and what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000 miles away going to fly him out there you must be an enginneer with this thinking.... how about telephones...pictures....internet.... so your practical engineer can build a duplicate of the problem in his shop and then weigh it i guess it all depends on how good he is and how

From : ed h

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving given the way you addressed me thats kind of funny. however no where did the op ask about it compared any engine configuration other than gasoline. he doesnt mention v-8 or i-6 except that we know he has an i-6. furthermore im not sure about beryls assumption that an i-6 has more surface area than a v-8. after all a v-8 has two cylinder heads sticking out in the air which implies more surface area because there are 2 more sides to account for. and usually a v-8 has more displacement that an i-6. its far to general a statement. one can compare specific engines for instance the cummins 5.9l and the magnum 5.9l i dont know what the surface area of a cummins 5.9 is compared to a magnum 5.9 but the cummins has a bore of 4.02 and a stroke of 4.72 where as the magnum has a bore of 4 and a stroke of 3.58 which means that the surface area of the cylinder which the piston travels past is actually larger on the magnum by about 2 square inches. of course the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger and thats no way to measure the outside surface area of the engine but its interesting to note. does anyone here know the surface area of the cummins engine and/or a the magnum 5.9 also the surface area is only one part of the equation. how about thermal mass i dont know the weight of the cummins engine or the magnum but i understand those cummins are pretty heavy. that implies more thermal mass which will hold the temperature longer. finally i cant speak from experience about the cummins cool down time but my duramax 6.6l v-8 diesel cools down at about the same rate as the ops. i dont know the surface area weight or thermal mass of that engine either but anecdotally it doesnt support beryls claim. .

From : mike simmons

on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. go to the head of the class wiley! the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. mike .

From : ed h

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate the heat quicker regards the size a 360v is probably about the same in surface area but not as heavy as the i-6 please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving a v-8 would not have as much surface area as an i-6 or to put it much more accurately not as much surface area in relation to total area. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving just a few guesses because thats what we all seem to be doing... 1 heat moves through different substance at different speeds. i dont know the relative heat conduction of oil water/coolant and cast iron. 2 solids can only transfer heat via conduction or radiation while liquids can also transfer heat via convection. id be willing to bet that some convection occurs inside an engine after shutdown. it would require an engineer to calculate how fast any engine would cool down from normal operating temperature to any given ambient temperature because of a huge number of variables many of which i probably wouldnt even think about. we could heat two trucks to normal temperature then park then near each other then measure the time it takes to cool down. but where do we measure the temperature - the thermostat the oil pan the location of the temperature gauge sending unit the side of the block the geometeric center of the engine .

From : azwiley1

on nov 30 631 pm mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. go to the head of the class wiley! the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. mike- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - aww gee thanks mike. i think g .

From : tbone

on nov 30 254 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - actually yours is more like your best friend sheryls post. a post for nothing more then to stir shit. pretty much like this one from you huh. beryl simply gave a reason as to why the i6 in the ops truck seemed to cool down so quickly and it was a valid assumption. now perhaps you could point out exactly where his reply in any way was stirring shit. ed was meerly point out something based off what he saw. really then please explain exactly how that long winded crap about updating data arrays has anything to do with anything in the thread. the fact is that ed was wrong and is making himself look foolish. i understand that neither one of you care for beryl and understandably so but all you are doing here is helping him make the both of you look like fools. funny how you are taking to jump on my posts or those like ed did but you say nothing when the troll cock sucker purposely stirs shit. lol sorry larry but you were the one to jump on my post. im simply replying to you. as for him stirring shit you and ed both make easy targets out of yourselves by replying to his crap the way that you do. if he were to slam one of you for something when you were correct i would and have replied to that but when he is just making you spin what would be the point -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on nov 30 254 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - oh yeah if growing up would mean that i would end up anything like you screw that i would rather be like budd. then you seem to have gotten your wish congratulations! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : azwiley1

on nov 30 710 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 254 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - actually yours is more like your best friend sheryls post. a post for nothing more then to stir shit. pretty much like this one from you huh. beryl simply gave a reason as to why the i6 in the ops truck seemed to cool down so quickly and it was a valid assumption. now perhaps you could point out exactly where his reply in any way was stirring shit. really learn how to fucking read asshole. my reply to the cocksucker had nothing to do with his post about concerning the i-6 which i will agree is valid. my reply was directly at his post prior to that! you know the one where he/she/it felt it necessary to jump in with the usual bullshit about my post asking the op to provide his living location. but this is typical of you anymore tom you are to fucking stupid to read everything and then you jump in with both feet in your mouth and make yourself look like the ass you are. sorry but becasue of your inabilities to read i think you owe both ed and i an apology for this but that will never happen. ed was meerly point out something based off what he saw. really then please explain exactly how that long winded crap about updating data arrays has anything to do with anything in the thread. the fact is that ed was wrong and is making himself look foolish. i understand that neither one of you care for beryl and understandably so but all you are doing here is helping him make the both of you look like fools. again learn to fucking read!!!!!!! if you had actually taken the fucking time to read the entrie fucking thread you would have seen exactly where my post was directed!!!!!! but you are incapable of doing that you would rather ignore what you want and then jump in!!!!!! funny how you are taking to jump on my posts or those like ed did but you say nothing when the troll cock sucker purposely stirs shit. lol sorry larry but you were the one to jump on my post. im simply replying to you. as for him stirring shit you and ed both make easy targets out of yourselves by replying to his crap the way that you do. if he were to slam one of you for something when you were correct i would and have replied to that but when he is just making you spin what would be the point again learn to fucking read!!!!!!! if you had actually taken the fucking time to read the entrie fucking thread you would have seen exactly where my post was directed!!!!!! but you are incapable of doing that you would rather ignore what you want and then jump in!!!!!! bullshit you would slam him. but again if you had read the entire fucking thread you would have seen it all. fuck you tom you are an arrogant fuck that likes to play games and ignore what you want to make yourself look better. -- if

From : azwiley1

on nov 30 711 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 254 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - oh yeah if growing up would mean that i would end up anything like you screw that i would rather be like budd. then you seem to have gotten your wish congratulations! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - fuck you cock sucker .

From : tbone

on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. the difference is that you jumped in with hate and apparently not reading the original question while i pointed out that he wasnt answering the question nor did i call beryl names or make assumptions as to why he posted his response unlike your response to me which you kind of admit was filled with anger. perhaps more than one person around here needs to grow up. lol give me a break. i hardly called you names or posted anything out of hate especially since i dont really even know you. btw it seems as though you are the one that didnt understand the question. the op wanted to know if anyone had any ideas why his engine lost heat so quickly. beryl simply made a statement that the inline configuration exposes more of its mass as surface area and is subject to faster cool downs which for the most part is a valid assumption and is on point with the ops question. perhaps you might want to point out where anything in yours is. im sure that the successful update of your company data array is thrilling to everyone but i missed where it has anything at all to do with the ops question. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate the heat quicker regards the size a 360v is probably about the same in surface area but not as heavy as the i-6 please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving doesnt liquid moving or motionless wick heat from metal wick it to where the water is contained within the block so where is it going to send the heat when the engine is running the water carries the heat to the radiator but when the engine is not... a v-8 would not have as much surface area as an i-6 or to put it much more accurately not as much surface area in relation to total area. i really dont know if that is correct or not. but there are a heck of a lot more parts to hold heat in a v360 than in a i-6 just looking at it you can see that it does. in an inline block both sides of the cylinders are exposed to the outside air while in a v configuration only one side of each bank are exposed not to mention all of the internal webbing that a v series has that simply doesnt exist with an inline block. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : Annonymous

on fri 30 nov 2007 181417 -0800 pst azwiley1 wiley156@yahoo.com wrote on nov 30 631 pm mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. go to the head of the class wiley! the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. mike- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - aww gee thanks mike. i think g is that gonna piss sheryl off just askin cause i want to be there to see it if it is. .

From : azwiley1

on nov 30 743 pm the...@whatever.net wrote on fri 30 nov 2007 181417 -0800 pst azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on nov 30 631 pm mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. go to the head of the class wiley! the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. mike- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - aww gee thanks mike. i think g is that gonna piss sheryl off just askin cause i want to be there to see it if it is. - hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i am sure it will as it will boner .

From : ed h

on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. the difference is that you jumped in with hate and apparently not reading the original question while i pointed out that he wasnt answering the question nor did i call beryl names or make assumptions as to why he posted his response unlike your response to me which you kind of admit was filled with anger. perhaps more than one person around here needs to grow up. lol give me a break. i hardly called you names or posted anything out of hate especially since i dont really even know you. btw it seems as though you are the one that didnt understand the question. the op wanted to know if anyone had any ideas why his engine lost heat so quickly. beryl simply made a statement that the inline configuration exposes more of its mass as surface area and is subject to faster cool downs which for the most part is a valid assumption and is on point with the ops question. perhaps you might want to point out where anything in yours is. im sure that the successful update of your company data array is thrilling to everyone but i missed where it has anything at all to do with the ops question. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ok hate was too stong a word and youre entitled to believe im a fool but calling me dude - that really chaps my hide! *small grin* as a hypothesis an i-6 has more external surface area than a v-8 i just dont know if thats true for real world applications. probably no one finds the successful update of the drive array of any interest but im the only it guy serving about 200 employees dispersed throughout 9 fixed geographic locations and as of today 3 mobile units within about a 100 mile radius of what i tentatively call my office - i had to tell someone. plus its a through back to another discussion beryl and i had. .

From : mike simmons

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate the heat quicker regards the size a 360v is probably about the same in surface area but not as heavy as the i-6 please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving a v-8 would not have as much surface area as an i-6 or to put it much more accurately not as much surface area in relation to total area. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving first congrats on the most reasoned approach to the vexing problem of the rapidly cooling cummins. this thread appears to be getting a tad ahem out of hand! just a few guesses because thats what we all seem to be doing... 1 heat moves through different substance at different speeds. i dont know the relative heat conduction of oil water/coolant and cast iron. the property you are referring to is thermal conductivity which is conventionally expressed as k. k is = btu/h/ft2/degreesf/ft. the k of materials varies greatly for example the k of water is .343 @ 32 degrees f while the k of wrought iron is 34.9 @ 60-212 degrees f. interestingly with the exception of most metals the k varies with temperature increasing as temperature rises. the reverse is true in crystalline materials. 2 solids can only transfer heat via conduction or radiation while liquids can also transfer heat via convection. not exactly true as solids can indeed transfer heat via convection. conduction is the transfer of heat from one part of a body to another part or to another body by short range interaction of molecules and/or electrons. convection is the transfer of heat by the combined mechanism of fluid mixing and conduction. a good example is a forced air electric furnace. the heat from the electric coil is transferred to the air via convection. radiation is the transfer of heat in the form of electromagnetic waves. all bodies above absolute zero radiate. id be willing to bet that some convection occurs inside an engine after shutdown. actually all three are occuring simulataneously! it would require an engineer to calculate how fast any engine would cool down from normal operating temperature to any given ambient temperature because of a huge number of variables many of which i probably wouldnt even think about. any engineer who attempt to calculate this is sending himself on a fools errand. as you correctly observed there are simply too many variables to accurately predict what will happen. i remember years ago in one of my engineering classes the professor gave us a drawing of a table with four legs. on the table were stacked randomly a series of books. the weight of each book was given and the relative placement of each stack was accurately represented. our challenge was to determine the amount of weight or load each table leg was bearing. we were given one hour to solve the problem. off we went with slide rules and formulae to calculate the load on each leg. at the end of the hour we each presented our results and the methodology. all of us were wrong! how then could the load be determined we asked he said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each leg on a scale. a lesson in practical engineering i remember to this day! we could heat two trucks to normal temperature then park then near each other then measure the time it takes to cool down. now yer talk

From : mike simmons

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate the heat quicker regards the size a 360v is probably about the same in surface area but not as heavy as the i-6 please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving doesnt liquid moving or motionless wick heat from metal wick it to where the water is contained within the block so where is it going to send the heat when the engine is running the water carries the heat to the radiator but when the engine is not... even if the engine is not running natural convection will cause water currents to move within the engine thus transferring heat. also heat is transferred from hot to cold thus the cooling of the exterior of the engine will cause the heat to be transferred to the cooler exterior. if your previous statement were true the interior of the engine would never cool off. mike a v-8 would not have as much surface area as an i-6 or to put it much more accurately not as much surface area in relation to total area. i really dont know if that is correct or not. but there are a heck of a lot more parts to hold heat in a v360 than in a i-6 just looking at it you can see that it does. in an inline block both sides of the cylinders are exposed to the outside air while in a v configuration only one side of each bank are exposed not to mention all of the internal webbing that a v series has that simply doesnt exist with an inline block. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : azwiley1

on nov 30 823 pm mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate the heat quicker regards the size a 360v is probably about the same in surface area but not as heavy as the i-6 please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving a v-8 would not have as much surface area as an i-6 or to put it much more accurately not as much surface area in relation to total area. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving first congrats on the most reasoned approach to the vexing problem of the rapidly cooling cummins. this thread appears to be getting a tad ahem out of hand! thats ed for you almost always being reasonable. as to the out of hand thing youre right but i am done sitting back and letting assholes like boner and his girlfriend act like that toward me anymore. i asked the one damn question that no one else asked where did the op live because i knew it would make a difference because the ambient air temp out side would play a factor into the cooling off. the only thing that i nor no one else asked was what was the op using as a reference point summer winter etc.. then because of my post the asshole beryl has to pop in as usual and be his normal shit stirring cock suck self. for what reason then there is tom not tom l. who is too retarded to read the entire thread and has to follow suit with beryl. real simple is you all dont like me or what i say or how i say fucking block me k/f me what ever i dont care anymore but i am done taking shit from assholes. .

From : ed h

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate the heat quicker regards the size a 360v is probably about the same in surface area but not as heavy as the i-6 please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving a v-8 would not have as much surface area as an i-6 or to put it much more accurately not as much surface area in relation to total area. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving first congrats on the most reasoned approach to the vexing problem of the rapidly cooling cummins. this thread appears to be getting a tad ahem out of hand! just a few guesses because thats what we all seem to be doing... 1 heat moves through different substance at different speeds. i dont know the relative heat conduction of oil water/coolant and cast iron. the property you are referring to is thermal conductivity which is conventionally expressed as k. k is = btu/h/ft2/degreesf/ft. the k of materials varies greatly for example the k of water is .343 @ 32 degrees f while the k of wrought iron is 34.9 @ 60-212 degrees f. interestingly with the exception of most metals the k varies with temperature increasing as temperature rises. the reverse is true in crystalline materials. fastinating. questions... 1 from your equation it looks like a higher k value mean faster heat transfer. is that correct 2 what is h in the above equation 3 what is the k of water at say 75f or 212f if one where to plot the k of water vs. the temperature of water would that be a straight line a logarithmic line or would there be peeks and valleys 4 does pressure affect the k of water at different temperatures 2 solids can only transfer heat via conduction or radiation while liquids can also transfer heat via convection. not exactly true as solids can indeed transfer heat via convection. conduction is the transfer of heat from one part of a body to another part or to another body by short range interaction of molecules and/or electrons. convection is the transfer of heat by the combined mechanism of fluid mixing and conduction. a good example is a forced air electric furnace. the heat from the electric coil is transferred to the air via convection. radiation is the transfer of heat in the form of electromagnetic waves. all bodies above absolute zero radiate. whoa im a little lost on this one. i would think that the heat would be transfered to the air at the solid coil/fluid air interface via conduction and radiation then the fluid air would transfere it primarily via convection. in other words convection would be occuring at the solid/fluid interface which means...i had to think this one through while typing my response but i think see it now. id be willing to bet that some convection occurs inside an engine after shutdown. actually all three are occuring simulataneously! it would require an engineer to calculate how fast any engine would cool down from normal operating temperature to any given ambient temperature because of a huge number of variables many of which i probably wouldnt even think about. any engineer who attempt to calculate this is sending himself on a fools errand. as you correctly observed there are simply too many variables to accurately predict what will happen. i remember years ago in one of my engineering classes the professor gave us a drawing

From : ed h

on fri 30 nov 2007 181417 -0800 pst azwiley1 wiley156@yahoo.com wrote on nov 30 631 pm mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. go to the head of the class wiley! the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. mike- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - aww gee thanks mike. i think g is that gonna piss sheryl off just askin cause i want to be there to see it if it is. naw its pissed all the time. maybe a side effect of being a vegetarian but then ive known some quit amiable vegetarians so thats not the reason. .

From : mike simmons

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . do you think that it might have to do with the liquid that might disapate the heat quicker regards the size a 360v is probably about the same in surface area but not as heavy as the i-6 please explain to me exactly how the liquid within the block is going to do much of anything when the engine is not running and it is not moving a v-8 would not have as much surface area as an i-6 or to put it much more accurately not as much surface area in relation to total area. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving first congrats on the most reasoned approach to the vexing problem of the rapidly cooling cummins. this thread appears to be getting a tad ahem out of hand! just a few guesses because thats what we all seem to be doing... 1 heat moves through different substance at different speeds. i dont know the relative heat conduction of oil water/coolant and cast iron. the property you are referring to is thermal conductivity which is conventionally expressed as k. k is = btu/h/ft2/degreesf/ft. the k of materials varies greatly for example the k of water is .343 @ 32 degrees f while the k of wrought iron is 34.9 @ 60-212 degrees f. interestingly with the exception of most metals the k varies with temperature increasing as temperature rises. the reverse is true in crystalline materials. fastinating. questions... 1 from your equation it looks like a higher k value mean faster heat transfer. is that correct yes 2 what is h in the above equation hours 3 what is the k of water at say 75f or 212f if one where to plot the k of water vs. the temperature of water would that be a straight line a logarithmic line or would there be peeks and valleys the k of water is relatively stable until the phase change occurs. for example the k of water @ 140 degrees f is .377. once the phase change to ice occurs the k increases to 1.26. a phase change to steam @ 200 degrees f results in a k of .0132. 4 does pressure affect the k of water at different temperatures only after the phase change to steam. 2 solids can only transfer heat via conduction or radiation while liquids can also transfer heat via convection. not exactly true as solids can indeed transfer heat via convection. conduction is the transfer of heat from one part of a body to another part or to another body by short range interaction of molecules and/or electrons. convection is the transfer of heat by the combined mechanism of fluid mixing and conduction. a good example is a forced air electric furnace. the heat from the electric coil is transferred to the air via convection. radiation is the transfer of heat in the form of electromagnetic waves. all bodies above absolute zero radiate. whoa im a little lost on this one. i would think that the heat would be transfered to the air at the solid coil/fluid air interface via conduction and radiation then the fluid air would transfere it primarily via convection. in other words convection would be occuring at the solid/fluid interface which means...i had to think this one through while typing my response but i think see it now. yeah i think you got it! radiation in this example plays a very minor role since radiation doe a poor job of heating air since air is mainly made up of empty space. you can take a radiant heat source in a cool room and stand some distance away and feel the warmth impinging on your body but the air temp between you and the

From : tbone

on nov 30 710 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 254 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - actually yours is more like your best friend sheryls post. a post for nothing more then to stir shit. pretty much like this one from you huh. beryl simply gave a reason as to why the i6 in the ops truck seemed to cool down so quickly and it was a valid assumption. now perhaps you could point out exactly where his reply in any way was stirring shit. really learn how to fucking read asshole. my reply to the cocksucker had nothing to do with his post about concerning the i-6 which i will agree is valid. my reply was directly at his post prior to that! you know the one where he/she/it felt it necessary to jump in with the usual bullshit about my post asking the op to provide his living location. but this is typical of you anymore tom you are to fucking stupid to read everything and then you jump in with both feet in your mouth and make yourself look like the ass you are. sorry but becasue of your inabilities to read i think you owe both ed and i an apology for this but that will never happen. larry take a friggen chill pill and stfu. i dont give a rats ass about the constant battle between you and beryl as it doesnt involve me. my initial post in this thread didnt have a damn thing to do with you. the only thing i was talking about and to was eds response to beryls reply to the op as i find beryls reply to be somewhat valid as a possible reason. you then jumped in with your all too typical accusations and name calling against me. if anyone owes someone an apology that would be you owing me but like you said that will never happen. ed was meerly point out something based off what he saw. really then please explain exactly how that long winded crap about updating data arrays has anything to do with anything in the thread. the fact is that ed was wrong and is making himself look foolish. i understand that neither one of you care for beryl and understandably so but all you are doing here is helping him make the both of you look like fools. again learn to fucking read!!!!!!! if you had actually taken the fucking time to read the entrie fucking thread you would have seen exactly where my post was directed!!!!!! but you are incapable of doing that you would rather ignore what you want and then jump in!!!!!! talk about learning to read how about you learning how to comprehend and perhaps mind your own fucking business. my initial post in this thread had nothing to do with you or your baby ass bullshit with beryl. you otoh were the one to jump in accusing me of being a net-nannie and taking sides especially when you also agree with beryls opinion here. funny how you are taking to jump on my posts or those like ed did but you say nothing when the tr

From : beryl

edith ive never read such pearls of wisdom as and i think of delta t or delta anything as a change in t or in anything. different than a differential i can use a more toddleresque style for you if you need that. then theres a differential exists between two or more things all at once at the same time. but a change in some thing does not exist at once because some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like that its now like this. thats why theres time so everything doesnt all happen at once. its right eye popped edith. i saw waves emanate from the site. lets not forget but im not an engineer. no poor me. i have no official documents attesting to my ability. i only i wish i was half as smart as beryl then i might understand what this genius wrote. until im as smart as beryl let me add these few simple words beryl lay off the sauce man or get yourself to an emergency room because you write like you just suffered a stroke. i dont drink edith. ok i had a glass of wine 8 years ago. no drugs too. ill send you a urine sample. .

From : denny

denny wrote denny wrote denny wrote denny wrote ! how then could the load be determined we asked he said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each leg on a scale. a lesson in practical engineering i remember to this day! that kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid detroit enginneer and a mechanic with common sense.......... vbg denny and what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000 miles away going to fly him out there you must be an enginneer with this thinking.... how about telephones...pictures....internet.... so your practical engineer can build a duplicate of the problem in his shop and then weigh it i guess it all depends on how good he is and how bad he wants to duplicate it.. the table could be a wing section prototype set to be built in japan. the books might be landing gear components coming from england. theres nothing much to duplicate its still evolving on paper. so your team is out. the job goes elsewhere. i really dont see the problem as long as you go with the job.... then the table is a wooden patio deck! you and mike are going to build it. you cant weigh the damn thing. why in the fuck would i want to weigh a patio deck what in the hell happened to all the common sense in this world im starting to think you aint got the brains to pound sand in a rathole.... denny .

From : azwiley1

on nov 30 1001 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 710 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 254 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - actually yours is more like your best friend sheryls post. a post for nothing more then to stir shit. pretty much like this one from you huh. beryl simply gave a reason as to why the i6 in the ops truck seemed to cool down so quickly and it was a valid assumption. now perhaps you could point out exactly where his reply in any way was stirring shit. really learn how to fucking read asshole. my reply to the cocksucker had nothing to do with his post about concerning the i-6 which i will agree is valid. my reply was directly at his post prior to that! you know the one where he/she/it felt it necessary to jump in with the usual bullshit about my post asking the op to provide his living location. but this is typical of you anymore tom you are to fucking stupid to read everything and then you jump in with both feet in your mouth and make yourself look like the ass you are. sorry but becasue of your inabilities to read i think you owe both ed and i an apology for this but that will never happen. larry take a friggen chill pill and stfu. i dont give a rats ass about the constant battle between you and beryl as it doesnt involve me. my initial post in this thread didnt have a damn thing to do with you. the only thing i was talking about and to was eds response to beryls reply to the op as i find beryls reply to be somewhat valid as a possible reason. you then jumped in with your all too typical accusations and name calling against me. if anyone owes someone an apology that would be you owing me but like you said that will never happen. ed was meerly point out something based off what he saw. really then please explain exactly how that long winded crap about updating data arrays has anything to do with anything in the thread. the fact is that ed was wrong and is making himself look foolish. i understand that neither one of you care for beryl and understandably so but all you are doing here is helping him make the both of you look like fools. again learn to fucking read!!!!!!! if you had actually taken the fucking time to read the entrie fucking thread you would have seen exactly where my post was directed!!!!!! but you are incapable of doing that you would rather ignore what you want and then jump in!!!!!! talk about learning to read how about you learning how to comprehend and perhaps mind your own fucking business. my initial post in this thread had nothing to do with you or your baby ass bullshit with beryl. you otoh were the one to jump in accusing me of being a net-nannie and taking sides especially when you also agree with beryls opinion here. funny how you are taking to j

From : tbone

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving given the way you addressed me thats kind of funny. however no where did the op ask about it compared any engine configuration other than gasoline. he doesnt mention v-8 or i-6 except that we know he has an i-6. the way that i addressed you give me a break. you are really grasping at straws here. as for the engine configuration while the op did not ask for a comparison between different types the inline configuration of the cummins is a factor in how fast it loses heat. furthermore im not sure about beryls assumption that an i-6 has more surface area than a v-8. then i guess that you never really looked at an inline engine. after all a v-8 has two cylinder heads sticking out in the air which implies more surface area because there are 2 more sides to account for. that would be true if it wernt complete bs. there is almost the same amount of surface area between the two. while the v series has two heads they are about half as long so where is the gain. the only gain is in the added area from the two added endpoints which really doesnt add up to all that much. and usually a v-8 has more displacement that an i-6. its far to general a statement. one can compare specific engines for instance the cummins 5.9l and the magnum 5.9l i dont know what the surface area of a cummins 5.9 is compared to a magnum 5.9 but the cummins has a bore of 4.02 and a stroke of 4.72 where as the magnum has a bore of 4 and a stroke of 3.58 which means that the surface area of the cylinder which the piston travels past is actually larger on the magnum by about 2 square inches. really since you have just claimed that the cummins has a slightly larger bore and a much longer stroke which would make sense since it has two less cylinders and the same displacement how exactly does the magnum have a larger surface area per cylinder of course the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger and thats no way to measure the outside surface area of the engine but its interesting to note. what exactly does the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger even mean larger than what this is not a wise crack i really dont understand what you are trying to say here. does anyone here know the surface area of the cummins engine and/or a the magnum 5.9 also the surface area is only one part of the equation. how about thermal mass i dont know the weight of the cummins engine or the magnum but i understand those cummins are pretty heavy. that implies more thermal mass which will hold the temperature longer. more thermal mass means that it can store more heat energy not necessarily that it can hold temp longer. thermal transfer rates and the surface area exposed has a lot of influence on how quikly that heat is pulled from that mass. finally i cant speak from experience about the cummins cool down time but my duramax 6.6l v-8 diesel cools down at about the same rate as the ops. i dont know the surface area weight or thermal mass of that engine either but anecdotally it doesnt support beryls claim. that would be valid only if your and his truck were exposed to the same temp and have the same or similar under hood conditions. i dont know if that is the case

From : tbone

on nov 30 743 pm the...@whatever.net wrote on fri 30 nov 2007 181417 -0800 pst azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on nov 30 631 pm mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. go to the head of the class wiley! the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. mike- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - aww gee thanks mike. i think g is that gonna piss sheryl off just askin cause i want to be there to see it if it is. - hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i am sure it will as it will boner gee how grown up of you budd. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on nov 30 1001 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 710 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 254 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 1228 pm tbone no...@nothere.com wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - nice of you you moderate again tom thanks. lol please explain to me how my post is in any way different than the one ed posted or the one you just did for that matter. grow up dude. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - actually yours is more like your best friend sheryls post. a post for nothing more then to stir shit. pretty much like this one from you huh. beryl simply gave a reason as to why the i6 in the ops truck seemed to cool down so quickly and it was a valid assumption. now perhaps you could point out exactly where his reply in any way was stirring shit. really learn how to fucking read asshole. my reply to the cocksucker had nothing to do with his post about concerning the i-6 which i will agree is valid. my reply was directly at his post prior to that! you know the one where he/she/it felt it necessary to jump in with the usual bullshit about my post asking the op to provide his living location. but this is typical of you anymore tom you are to fucking stupid to read everything and then you jump in with both feet in your mouth and make yourself look like the ass you are. sorry but becasue of your inabilities to read i think you owe both ed and i an apology for this but that will never happen. larry take a friggen chill pill and stfu. i dont give a rats ass about the constant battle between you and beryl as it doesnt involve me. my initial post in this thread didnt have a damn thing to do with you. the only thing i was talking about and to was eds response to beryls reply to the op as i find beryls reply to be somewhat valid as a possible reason. you then jumped in with your all too typical accusations and name calling against me. if anyone owes someone an apology that would be you owing me but like you said that will never happen. ed was meerly point out something based off what he saw. really then please explain exactly how that long winded crap about updating data arrays has anything to do with anything in the thread. the fact is that ed was wrong and is making himself look foolish. i understand that neither one of you care for beryl and understandably so but all you are doing here is helping him make the both of you look like fools. again learn to fucking read!!!!!!! if you had actually taken the fucking time to read the entrie fucking thread you would have seen exactly where my post was directed!!!!!! but you are incapable of doing that you would rather ignore what you want and then jump in!!!!!! talk about learning to read how about you learning how to comprehend and perhaps mind your own fucking business. my initial post in this thread had nothing to do with you or your baby ass bullshit with beryl. you otoh were the one to jump in accusing me of being a net-nannie and taking sides especially when you also agree with beryls opinion here. funny how yo

From : beryl

mike simmons wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. sarcasm hard to grasp punkin go to the head of the class wiley! atta-boy punkin. go! then turn left. theres a stool and a red pointy cap with a d for you in the corner. the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. hmmm. i dont detect a condescending tone in your reply. not the slightest bit. *any* moron knows that something gets cold faster when its friggin cold outside! and i think of delta t or delta anything as a change in t or in anything. different than a differential. a differential exists between two or more things all at once at the same time. but a change in some thing does not exist at once because some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like that its now like this. thats why theres time so everything doesnt all happen at once. but im not an engineer. mike and i also think your solid/convection explanation was messed up. the coil in your forced air electric furnace did not transfer heat via convection. .

From : ed h

ive never read such pearls of wisdom as and i think of delta t or delta anything as a change in t or in anything. different than a differential then theres a differential exists between two or more things all at once at the same time. but a change in some thing does not exist at once because some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like that its now like this. thats why theres time so everything doesnt all happen at once. lets not forget but im not an engineer. i only i wish i was half as smart as beryl then i might understand what this genius wrote. until im as smart as beryl let me add these few simple words beryl lay off the sauce man or get yourself to an emergency room because you write like you just suffered a stroke. mike simmons wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. sarcasm hard to grasp punkin go to the head of the class wiley! atta-boy punkin. go! then turn left. theres a stool and a red pointy cap with a d for you in the corner. the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. hmmm. i dont detect a condescending tone in your reply. not the slightest bit. *any* moron knows that something gets cold faster when its friggin cold outside! and i think of delta t or delta anything as a change in t or in anything. different than a differential. a differential exists between two or more things all at once at the same time. but a change in some thing does not exist at once because some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like that its now like this. thats why theres time so everything doesnt all happen at once. but im not an engineer. mike and i also think your solid/convection explanation was messed up. the coil in your forced air electric furnace did not transfer heat via convection. .

From : beryl

denny wrote ! how then could the load be determined we asked he said that you simply picked up the table and weighed each leg on a scale. a lesson in practical engineering i remember to this day! that kinda sounds like the difference between an over-paid detroit enginneer and a mechanic with common sense.......... vbg denny and what if the weight problem your engineer needed to solve was 1000 miles away going to fly him out there .

From : beryl

thedumbguy .... cause problems. their actions certainly bear that out so if you want to form an opnion based on impartial observations keep that in mind. now that tom would be a statement of fact. propaganda. tbag is one of a very few impartial regulars here. you larry roy tom lawrence edith aarcuda heatwave etc. etc... members of the clique. punks. for facts about the role im playing we need to go back to hole in the bed from march 19. .

From : beryl

ed h. wrote edith ive never read such pearls of wisdom as and i think of delta t or delta anything as a change in t or in anything. different than a differential i can use a more toddleresque style for you if you need that. then theres a differential exists between two or more things all at once at the same time. but a change in some thing does not exist at once because some thing that was once like that and then changed is no longer like that its now like this. thats why theres time so everything doesnt all happen at once. its right eye popped edith. i saw waves emanate from the site. please explain this statement. i can kind of follow your other stuff about this that and time but i really dont understand the above. i suspect its some kind on insult however. lets not forget but im not an engineer. no poor me. i have no official documents attesting to my ability. nothing wrong with that. i only i wish i was half as smart as beryl then i might understand what this genius wrote. until im as smart as beryl let me add these few simple words beryl lay off the sauce man or get yourself to an emergency room because you write like you just suffered a stroke. i dont drink edith. ok i had a glass of wine 8 years ago. no drugs too. ill send you a urine sample. got the urine sample no drugs of any kind found but...youre pregnant. used the taste test huh .

From : ed h

hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving given the way you addressed me thats kind of funny. however no where did the op ask about it compared any engine configuration other than gasoline. he doesnt mention v-8 or i-6 except that we know he has an i-6. the way that i addressed you give me a break. you are really grasping at straws here. as for the engine configuration while the op did not ask for a comparison between different types the inline configuration of the cummins is a factor in how fast it loses heat. furthermore im not sure about beryls assumption that an i-6 has more surface area than a v-8. then i guess that you never really looked at an inline engine. after all a v-8 has two cylinder heads sticking out in the air which implies more surface area because there are 2 more sides to account for. that would be true if it wernt complete bs. there is almost the same amount of surface area between the two. while the v series has two heads they are about half as long so where is the gain. the only gain is in the added area from the two added endpoints which really doesnt add up to all that much. and usually a v-8 has more displacement that an i-6. its far to general a statement. one can compare specific engines for instance the cummins 5.9l and the magnum 5.9l i dont know what the surface area of a cummins 5.9 is compared to a magnum 5.9 but the cummins has a bore of 4.02 and a stroke of 4.72 where as the magnum has a bore of 4 and a stroke of 3.58 which means that the surface area of the cylinder which the piston travels past is actually larger on the magnum by about 2 square inches. really since you have just claimed that the cummins has a slightly larger bore and a much longer stroke which would make sense since it has two less cylinders and the same displacement how exactly does the magnum have a larger surface area per cylinder correction total the surface area of the cylinders which the pistons travel past... the magnum has a smaller surface area through which the piston travels per cylinder but the surface area for all the cylinders is slightly greater in the magnum. i made a linquistic mistake and if i posted the formulas below this probably wouldnt be an issue. magnum 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4 x pi x 3.58 x 8 = 359.7 square inches. cummins 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4.02 x pi x 4.72 x 6 = 357.5 square inches. of course the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger and thats no way to measure the outside surface area of the engine but its interesting to note. what exactly does the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger even mean larger than what this is not a wise crack i really dont understand what you are trying to say here. the cylinders walls have to extend below the top of the pistons so that the pistons will remain in the cylinders. therefore the actual surface area of the cylinder walls is larger than what i calculated. does anyone here know the surface area of the cummins engine and/or a the magnum 5.9 also the surface area is only one part of the equation. how about thermal mass i dont know the weight of the cummins engine or the magnum but i understand those cummins are pretty heavy.

From : beryl

edith hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. what does that have to do with anything the op asked btw i recently installed qlogic icli on 4 servers. this allowed me to upgrade the firmware of the individual iscsi storage array members in a 3 member storage array group - to which the 4 servers have a total of 10 volumes attached - without shutting down any of the servers during the storage array firmware update process. whats that have to do with anything about as much as your answer to hober mallow does. well dude what it has to do with is the simple fact that more surface area of the inline block means that the engine can and will cool down faster especially when no longer running . perhaps you might want to actually read and think about what was written before jumping in out of anger and simply making a fool out of yourself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving given the way you addressed me thats kind of funny. however no where did the op ask about it compared any engine configuration other than gasoline. he doesnt mention v-8 or i-6 except that we know he has an i-6. the way that i addressed you give me a break. you are really grasping at straws here. as for the engine configuration while the op did not ask for a comparison between different types the inline configuration of the cummins is a factor in how fast it loses heat. furthermore im not sure about beryls assumption that an i-6 has more surface area than a v-8. then i guess that you never really looked at an inline engine. after all a v-8 has two cylinder heads sticking out in the air which implies more surface area because there are 2 more sides to account for. that would be true if it wernt complete bs. there is almost the same amount of surface area between the two. while the v series has two heads they are about half as long so where is the gain. the only gain is in the added area from the two added endpoints which really doesnt add up to all that much. and usually a v-8 has more displacement that an i-6. its far to general a statement. one can compare specific engines for instance the cummins 5.9l and the magnum 5.9l i dont know what the surface area of a cummins 5.9 is compared to a magnum 5.9 but the cummins has a bore of 4.02 and a stroke of 4.72 where as the magnum has a bore of 4 and a stroke of 3.58 which means that the surface area of the cylinder which the piston travels past is actually larger on the magnum by about 2 square inches. really since you have just claimed that the cummins has a slightly larger bore and a much longer stroke which would make sense since it has two less cylinders and the same displacement how exactly does the magnum have a larger surface area per cylinder correction total the surface area of the cylinders which the pistons travel past... the magnum has a smaller surface area through which the piston travels per cylinder but the surface area for all the cylinders is slightly greater in the magnum. i made a linquistic mistake and if i posted the formulas below this probably wouldnt be an issue. magnum 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4 x pi x 3.58 x 8 = 359.7 square inches. cummins 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4.02 x pi x 4.72 x 6 = 357.5 square inches. of course the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger and thats no way to measure the outside surface area of the engine but its interesting to note. what exactly does the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger even mean larger than what this is not a wise crack i really dont understand what you are trying to say here. the cylinders walls have to extend below the top of the pistons so that the pistons will remain in the cylinders. therefore the actual surface area of the cylinder walls is larger than what i calculated. does anyone here know the surface area of the cummins engine and/or a the magnum 5.9 also the surface area is only one part of the equation. how about thermal mass i dont know the weight of the cummins engine or the magnum but i understand those cum

From : beryl

edith i dont know what the surface area of a cummins 5.9 is compared to a magnum 5.9 but the cummins has a bore of 4.02 and a stroke of 4.72 where as the magnum has a bore of 4 and a stroke of 3.58 which means that the surface area of the cylinder which the piston travels past is actually larger on the magnum by about 2 square inches. .... correction total the surface area of the cylinders which the pistons travel past... the magnum has a smaller surface area through which the piston travels per cylinder but the surface area for all the cylinders is slightly greater in the magnum. i made a linquistic mistake and if i posted the formulas below this probably wouldnt be an issue. your issues go beyond linquistic mistakes you moron. magnum 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4 x pi x 3.58 x 8 = 359.7 square inches. cummins 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4.02 x pi x 4.72 x 6 = 357.5 square inches. of course the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger and thats no way to measure the outside surface area of the engine but its interesting to note. now that youve explained what you were talking about no this isnt interesting to note. what exactly does the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger even mean larger than what this is not a wise crack i really dont understand what you are trying to say here. the cylinders walls have to extend below the top of the pistons so that the pistons will remain in the cylinders. therefore the actual surface area of the cylinder walls is larger than what i calculated. combustion chamber surface area has nothing to do with however much cylinder sleeve extends below. including the cylinder heads would have made some sense. but you didnt of course so i have to tell you. .

From : azwiley1

on dec 1 335 am beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote edith i dont know what the surface area of a cummins 5.9 is compared to a magnum 5.9 but the cummins has a bore of 4.02 and a stroke of 4.72 where as the magnum has a bore of 4 and a stroke of 3.58 which means that the surface area of the cylinder which the piston travels past is actually larger on the magnum by about 2 square inches. ... correction total the surface area of the cylinders which the pistons travel past... the magnum has a smaller surface area through which the piston travels per cylinder but the surface area for all the cylinders is slightly greater in the magnum. i made a linquistic mistake and if i posted the formulas below this probably wouldnt be an issue. your issues go beyond linquistic mistakes you moron. magnum 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4 x pi x 3.58 x 8 = 359.7 square inches. cummins 5.9 surface area for the piston travel = 4.02 x pi x 4.72 x 6 = 357.5 square inches. of course the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger and thats no way to measure the outside surface area of the engine but its interesting to note. now that youve explained what you were talking about no this isnt interesting to note. what exactly does the actual surface area of the cylinder walls in both engines is larger even mean larger than what this is not a wise crack i really dont understand what you are trying to say here. the cylinders walls have to extend below the top of the pistons so that the pistons will remain in the cylinders. therefore the actual surface area of the cylinder walls is larger than what i calculated. combustion chamber surface area has nothing to do with however much cylinder sleeve extends below. including the cylinder heads would have made some sense. but you didnt of course so i have to tell you. yeah what ever you say you cock sucking whore go back and play with you friends snoball and boner. i am sick and tied of your bullshit. .

From : Annonymous

on sat 1 dec 2007 002148 -0500 tbone noway@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 743 pm the...@whatever.net wrote on fri 30 nov 2007 181417 -0800 pst azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on nov 30 631 pm mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. go to the head of the class wiley! the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. mike- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - aww gee thanks mike. i think g is that gonna piss sheryl off just askin cause i want to be there to see it if it is. - hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i am sure it will as it will boner gee how grown up of you budd. ah tom maturity is a subject that you have never been on real good terms with. you may want to stay out of that play. .

From : roy

on nov 30 743 pm the...@whatever.net wrote on fri 30 nov 2007 181417 -0800 pst azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on nov 30 631 pm mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. go to the head of the class wiley! the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. mike- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - aww gee thanks mike. i think g is that gonna piss sheryl off just askin cause i want to be there to see it if it is. - hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i am sure it will as it will boner gee how grown up of you budd. well at least budd although towards his last posts he was a pia brought a ton experience and hands on knowledge to the group. having said that and as im no big fan of the old prick id still take being called budd as a sorta back handed compliment just mho. .

From : roy

thedumbguy ... cause problems. their actions certainly bear that out so if you want to form an opnion based on impartial observations keep that in mind. now that tom would be a statement of fact. propaganda. tbag is one of a very few impartial regulars here. you larry roy tom lawrence edith aarcuda heatwave etc. etc... members of the clique. punks. hey mike.... looks like you and me got left out again. this is getting kinda regular.... denny probably has to do with pink bunny suits and heated seats.g roy .

From : roy

snip gee how grown up of you budd. well at least budd although towards his last posts he was a pia brought a ton experience and hands on knowledge to the group. having said that and as im no big fan of the old prick id still take being called budd as a sorta back handed compliment i guess that depends on how you look at it. if you are looking at it from the side of his experience and knowledge with old mopars for the most part i would agree with you. hmmm... i wasnt limiting to old mopars. in a lot of cases his knowledge based on his hands on was a help on any year. if you look at it from the side of the general bad attitude he had toward others which was extended toward everyone at the end then we have a very different story. any way that you want to spin it i didnt attack larry and there was really no excuse for this childish outburst from him other than he has really become a crybaby asshole the above wasnt a attck oh it was just a spin.lol just like budd did at the end of his posts. .

From : tbone

on nov 30 743 pm the...@whatever.net wrote on fri 30 nov 2007 181417 -0800 pst azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on nov 30 631 pm mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. go to the head of the class wiley! the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. mike- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - aww gee thanks mike. i think g is that gonna piss sheryl off just askin cause i want to be there to see it if it is. - hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i am sure it will as it will boner gee how grown up of you budd. well at least budd although towards his last posts he was a pia brought a ton experience and hands on knowledge to the group. having said that and as im no big fan of the old prick id still take being called budd as a sorta back handed compliment i guess that depends on how you look at it. if you are looking at it from the side of his experience and knowledge with old mopars for the most part i would agree with you. if you look at it from the side of the general bad attitude he had toward others which was extended toward everyone at the end then we have a very different story. any way that you want to spin it i didnt attack larry and there was really no excuse for this childish outburst from him other than he has really become a crybaby asshole just like budd did at the end of his posts. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on sat 1 dec 2007 002148 -0500 tbone noway@nothere.com wrote on nov 30 743 pm the...@whatever.net wrote on fri 30 nov 2007 181417 -0800 pst azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on nov 30 631 pm mike simmons mike...@yhti.net wrote on nov 29 1047 pm beryl flyingterra...@chillylbits.org wrote hober mallow wrote hello everyone i drive an 06 ram 2500 with cummins diesel motor. it doesnt seem to hold heat very well. i can have the truck all warmed up right at the centerpoint of the temp gauge. then ill park it and shut it off. in about an hour ill come back to start it up and the temperature gauge reads stone cold and ill need to warm it up completely again. my truck seems to cool down rather quickly. i think the thermostat is ok. someone told me this is because diesel motors run on the principle of using as little fuel as possible thus a diesel just doesnt run as hot as a gasoline motor. any comments suggestions thanks in advance. the rocket man a narrow stretched out inline engine has more surface area that a compact chunky v-type. now... combine that with a.a.d.t resident thermodynamacist punkins intriguing hypothesis. lol!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - intriguing hypothesis huh so you are tell me that if the out side temp is say 90 that the block is going to cool down at the same rate as if the outside temp is say 40 bullshit. go to the head of the class wiley! the temperature differential delta t in engineer speak is critical in the rate of heat loss. mike- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - aww gee thanks mike. i think g is that gonna piss sheryl off just askin cause i want to be there to see it if it is. - hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i am sure it will as it will boner gee how grown up of you budd. ah tom maturity is a subject that you have never been on real good terms with. you may want to stay out of that play. those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .