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Q: on wed 22 jun 2005 201451 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on wed 22 jun 2005 182258 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote yes but now you are doing conversions. you are converting from a percent to a whole number and that in itself makes it fuzzy. thats not so. percentages are not fuzzy. 1 definition a percent is 1/100. 1/100 of what. sounds fuzzy to me. is it not 1/100 of something it is simply 1/100 or 0.01. one percent is the same as number 0.01. now when people say one percent of something that means that something multiplied by one percent or 1/100. that means that one percent of something is one hundredth of something. 2 definition one percent of something is that something multiplied by 1/100. please define something. still sounds a bit fuzzy. the above is a rule. it means that if you are asked to calculate one percent of a given number you would need to compute that given number divided by 100. for example if you were asked to calculate one percent of a given number 500 you would divide 500 by 100 and get 5. therefore a percent of a percent is 1/100 multiplied by 1/100 or 1/10000 or 0.01%. but what does this equate to in the real world oh yea nothing. what i explained is exactly what percents are defined to be in the real world. for example 20% of 20% is 20/100 multiplied by 20/100 or 400/10000 or 4/100 or 4%. 4% of what and in relation to what sorry still fuzzy. all of the above is defined quite precisely and there is no degree of fuzziness. it is not so much in the definition as it is in the usage. if percentages are given without the numbers that they are derived form they can be nothing but fuzzy. a number is an idea. a percent is also an idea and it also happens to be a number 1/100. i hope that you realize that all percentages are fuzzy by nature because they dont truly represent anything other than a ratio and when you divide multiple percentages you even further distort the truth. percentages are a simple pre-algebra notion and are quite simply and precisely defined. and in their simplicity they can be used in the most fuzzy of manors. quite possibly. i .

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on wed 22 jun 2005 210250 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on wed 22 jun 2005 201451 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on wed 22 jun 2005 182258 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote yes but now you are doing conversions. you are converting from a percent to a whole number and that in itself makes it fuzzy. thats not so. percentages are not fuzzy. 1 definition a percent is 1/100. 1/100 of what. sounds fuzzy to me. is it not 1/100 of something it is simply 1/100 or 0.01. one percent is the same as number 0.01. actually a percent is a ration whose second term is 100 and like any ratio if it has no value attributed to it it means nothing. no ratios are numbers. for example the ratio 4/2 is a number equal to 2/1 or simply 2. now when people say one percent of something that means that something multiplied by one percent or 1/100. that means that one percent of something is one hundredth of something. and 1/100 of nothing is simply nothing. thats correct just as twice nothing is also a nothing. 2 definition one percent of something is that something multiplied by 1/100. please define something. still sounds a bit fuzzy. the above is a rule. it means that if you are asked to calculate one percent of a given number you would need to compute that given number divided by 100. but is the number has no value neither does the derived percentage and if we dont know from what the percentage was derived from to begin with at best it is a fuzzy if not completely meaningless. i am not sure what you mean when you say a number has no value. any number is a value equal to that number. for instance number 12 has a value of 12. for example if you were asked to calculate one percent of a given number 500 you would divide 500 by 100 and get 5. and if i simply told you i would give you 1% without mentioning the 500 would you have any idea what the final value would be of course i would not have an idea what one percent of a number would be without knowing the number. therefore a percent of a percent is 1/100 multiplied by 1/100 or 1/10000 or 0.01%. but what does this equate to in the real world oh yea nothing. what i explained is exactly what percents are defined to be in the real world. percentages without the values they are derived from are nothing more than percentages and have no value. surely you are right and percentages are nothing more than percentages. however they are also numbers. for example 20% of 20% is 20/100 multiplied by 20/100 or 400/10000 or 4/100 or 4%. 4% of what and in relation to what sorry still fuzzy. all of the above is defined quite precisely and there is no degree of fuzziness. it is not so much in the definition as it is in the usage. if percentages are given without the numbers that they are derived form they can be nothing but fuzzy. a number is an idea. and ideas can be fuzzy. the idea of a percentage is not fuzzy. a percent is also an idea and it also happens to be a number 1/100. a percentage is an abstraction of an idea and if not clearly defined... percentages are defined quite clearly. i hope that you realize that all percentages are fuzzy by nature because they dont truly represent anything other than a ratio and when you divide multiple percentages you even further distort the truth. percentages are a simple pre-algebra notion and are quite simply and precisely defined. and in their simplicity they can be used in the most fuzzy of manors. quite possibly. -- .